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hi. i am ed and i am new to this forum and have a few questions. I have a 280zx which I am in the process of painting.
The paint job on the car was in good condition, however i needed a winter project so took this project on.
I have sanded part of car and began by using 800 grit sandpaper, then went to 1000 grit,then went to 2000 grit. my question is.....should I prime and sand the car or just go over the old paint job with the same paint color? the paint that i will be using is acrylic lacquer.
thanks
ed
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Originally Posted by 280 zx Ed
hi. i am ed and i am new to this forum and have a few questions. I have a 280zx which I am in the process of painting.
The paint job on the car was in good condition, however i needed a winter project so took this project on.
I have sanded part of car and began by using 800 grit sandpaper, then went to 1000 grit,then went to 2000 grit. my question is.....should I prime and sand the car or just go over the old paint job with the same paint color? the paint that i will be using is acrylic lacquer.
thanks
ed
OK, to start, the sandpaper you are using is too fine. Those grits are too fine to offer enough tooth for the paint to adhere to.
The 2000 grit is usually used for removing orange Peel in fresh paint, and melting clear at a blend.
The 1000 is usually used for blending the clearcoat on adjacent panels. Also for knocking down runs and heavy OP.
The 800 is the finest I'd ever sand with before painting, that's only on top of existing clearcoat/paint, like you have described.
I'd like to ask a few more questions before going any deeper.
Are you planning on painting the vehicle the same color?
Do you have any experience spraying?
Do you have a well ventilated area to spray, along with proper PPE?
Do you have to use the acrylic lacquer?
Was the paint flaking r, chipped, cracked, or have bad body work?
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Subscribed....I always want to learn about painting from the pros.
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hi ken, thanks for replying. let me start by explaining why i used the combination of sandpapers. when i sanded with the 1000, i was trying to find out what grit i should use that my compound that i am usingwould take out the fine sandpaper marks. i am using meguiar's ultimate compound. i had to go to 2000 to get out all sandpaper marks out.
regarding your questions....the car is a 1980 280zx, 10th anniiversary series, this is the gold and black one. where this is a lmited edition, i must go with the same 2-tone colors.(gold and black).
My painting experience is limited.i and i have a tendency to apply the paint too heavy.
- I do have a well-ventilated area, and follow the PPE quidlines.
- Regarding the type paint....I bought acrylic lacquer because it was the closest to what was on the car.
- regarding the cars condition....there was no flaking, chipping, cracking or bad body work.
Note: Someone looking at the car, may feel that there really was no reason to paint it. Just wanted a winter project.
So, regarding my question, should I prime the whole car or can I go over the original paint job.I will be using clear coat over the complete car as a finish.
thanks ed.
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I'm no expert, but I see no reason to stop at 2000 grit papers if you're already going to be doing some sanding. If you're doing the painting then you'll have a good idea of how much clear coat film you've laid down.
Here's some links to read over when you're done painting and ready to begin the finishing stages of your project...the final sanding and prep before moving to compounds/polishes.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/...-phillips.html
Here's an excerpt from the link above. You'll find as much information as you want with regard to sanding on your project when you're ready. Just click on the blue links in the quote below to go directly to a chosen article.
Originally Posted by Mike.Phillips@Autogeek
When you're done painting and you're done sanding on the project it's time to clean things up real good. As Mike Phillips so often says, "Work clean". When things are clean it's time to move on to compounding and/or polishing. Just go to this link http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/...-phillips.html to learn more about compounding and polishing articles.
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Originally Posted by 280 zx Ed
hi ken, thanks for replying. let me start by explaining why i used the combination of sandpapers. when i sanded with the 1000, i was trying to find out what grit i should use that my compound that i am usingwould take out the fine sandpaper marks. i am using meguiar's ultimate compound. i had to go to 2000 to get out all sandpaper marks out.
regarding your questions....the car is a 1980 280zx, 10th anniiversary series, this is the gold and black one. where this is a lmited edition, i must go with the same 2-tone colors.(gold and black).
My painting experience is limited.i and i have a tendency to apply the paint too heavy.
- I do have a well-ventilated area, and follow the PPE quidlines.
- Regarding the type paint....I bought acrylic lacquer because it was the closest to what was on the car.
- regarding the cars condition....there was no flaking, chipping, cracking or bad body work.
Note: Someone looking at the car, may feel that there really was no reason to paint it. Just wanted a winter project.
So, regarding my question, should I prime the whole car or can I go over the original paint job.I will be using clear coat over the complete car as a finish.
thanks ed.
If you are absolutely certain that it has lacquer on it now, then all you will need to so is sand it down completely, I'd recommend using 400 grit wet if spraying sealer, and no finer than 800 grit wet if spraying over the existing paint.
If the current paint isn't lacquer, and is a urethane, then you will need to use a sealer at minimum. The sealer is probably your best bet, since its sprayed wet, directly before you spray the basecoat. If you spray primer, you will have to sand it.
If you paint lacquer over urethane it will create a wrinkle finish, and cause lots of issues.
Since the paint and body work are in good condition, just be sure to sand it completely. When you are done it should look dull like a chalkboard. Be sure to get all the edges completely, I like to use 3M scuff stuff and a red scotchbrite. They allow to follow the edge without changing the contour or shape.
I use dawn or purple power as I sand to keep the surface lubricated, the paper clean, and the paint clean.
I'm typing this from my phone as I help the kids with homework, so I might seem a bit disorganized in my writing. I'll be on the computer later this evening.
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