Griots Garage 6in buffer

**fejcharson** · 08-11-2015, 10:35 PM

So I have the Griots Garage 6" random orbital buffer. I am wonder how much correction I can with this compared to like a Flex 4301. I only do my cars and then some friends cars. I use Meguiars M105 & M205. Should I be able to remove all defects and small swirrels with just more time. Thanks for anybody's knowledge on this and experience. Can you get 90-95% correction? I have orange pads and g microfiber cutting pads.

**dlc95** · 08-11-2015, 10:36 PM

If it can be done with the Porter Cable 7424xp, it can probably be done with the gg6.

**builthatch** · 08-11-2015, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by fejcharson

So I have the Griots Garage 6" random orbital buffer. I am wonder how much correction I can with this compared to like a Flex 4301. I only do my cars and then some friends cars. I use Meguiars M105 & M205. Should I be able to remove all defects and small swirrels with just more time. Thanks for anybody's knowledge on this and experience. Can you get 90-95% correction? I have orange pads and g microfiber cutting pads.

yes. your machine is more than adequate for anything you might need to do.

**fejcharson** · 08-11-2015, 10:51 PM

So the only difference in something like a Flex 3401 would be time to achieve?

**tenblade2001** · 08-11-2015, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by fejcharson

So the only difference in something like a Flex 3401 would be time to achieve?

Time and, for me, physical effort. The 7424 beat the heck outta me. My arms were killing me after one car. Multiple PMs with Flex uses, some in the same situation as me, convinced me that the Flex was the way to go.

**fejcharson** · 08-11-2015, 11:03 PM

Ya I just don't know if its worth it for a casual user like me as long as it can get the defects out I will put the effort in. I did the hood on my camry and still see some light scratches. Maybe some more passes?

**Rsurfer** · 08-11-2015, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by fejcharson

So I have the Griots Garage 6" random orbital buffer. I am wonder how much correction I can with this compared to like a Flex 4301. I only do my cars and then some friends cars. I use Meguiars M105 & M205. Should I be able to remove all defects and small swirrels with just more time. Thanks for anybody's knowledge on this and experience. Can you get 90-95% correction? I have orange pads and g microfiber cutting pads.

I can barely get 90-95% correction on a new car. Be careful what you tell people..95% correction on a daily driver is a lot.

**ski2** · 08-12-2015, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by fejcharson

Ya I just don't know if its worth it for a casual user like me as long as it can get the defects out I will put the effort in. I did the hood on my camry and still see some light scratches. Maybe some more passes?

Perhaps different pads and polishes will give you better results.

**fejcharson** · 08-12-2015, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by ski2

Perhaps different pads and polishes will give you better results.

What would you suggest as a good combo?

**Brownie** · 08-12-2015, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by fejcharson

So I have the Griots Garage 6" random orbital buffer. I am wonder how much correction I can with this compared to like a Flex 4301. I only do my cars and then some friends cars. I use Meguiars M105 & M205. Should I be able to remove all defects and small swirrels with just more time. Thanks for anybody's knowledge on this and experience. Can you get 90-95% correction? I have orange pads and g microfiber cutting pads.

I wanted to chime in quick and respond to your question.

The Flex 4301 is a great tool and due to its' 8mm forced rotation orbit it will deliver consistent defect correction throughout all panels...less dependent on technique. Personally, I've had a Flex 4301 since it was first introduced and have not had much time on it. Personal preference I guess.

As for the GG6, I've spent an insane amount of time with the Porter Cable, G110v2, Dewalt, MT300 orbitals and am confident the GG6 delivers the highest pad rotation available. Again, my opinion.

This rotation, combined with slow arm speed and the appropriate pad/liquid will deliver as much paint correction as anyone needs. There may be a trade off with increased time, relative to a Flex or Long-Throw Orbital.

Microfiber will contribute to the greatest correction. The fibers have less grab on the finish and will increase pad rotation. This combined with the mechanical cutting of the fiber will cut very efficiently. Drawback- micro marring may be evident on some clears.

Foam- will finish out better, but sacrifice in correction.

One solution you may consider is to use the Griot's Garage BOSS Pads (8mm thick) on the GG6. The pads will exhibit the following:
Reduced vibration (approximately 8-10grams lighter than comparable 1" pads)
Increase Pad Rotation - there is less absorption of energy which more efficiently transfers energy to the paint- byproduct - rotation
Increase stability- due to the lower center of gravity, the tool will be easier to control and more comfortable.

One of my personal favorites is the BOSS FAST Correcting Foam Pad- white. It cuts on the heals of microfiber, but will finish out with no micro-marring on most finishes.

I'm speaking from personal experience here.. not simply pushing one tool, pad or liquid over another. Please let me know if you've got additional questions.

PS- M105 and M205 are fantastic! I was fortunate to be part of the team at Meguiar's whom helped create them. Along side Jason Rose and team, it was a pleasure. M105 tends to dust and micro-mar oem finishes while used with an orbital. Suggest to check out Griot's Garage FAST Correcting Cream- a sub-micron abrasive which will cut as well as M105, but finish out better with no dust (most environments)