Confused on cut of Hybrid pad colors??

[FinishingTouchA]

So I just received my order of Hybrid pads and after feeling and looking at them I'm a bit confused on the order that LC lists them as far as cut and finish.

Lake Country:
Orange - Heavy Cutting
Blue - Light Cutting
White - Polishing
Black - Finishing
Gold - Jeweling

Upon inspection I would list them like so:
Blue - Heavy Cutting
Orange - Light cutting
Gold - Very Light Cutting
White - Polishing
Black - Jeweling

Blue is very big open cell like a Rupes cutting pad. And Gold is a very dense foam. Does LC have these listed incorrectly, or am I just out of the loop of knowledge on cell structure and what makes a cutting pad vs a finishing pad?

[dlc95]

The orange pad should be firmer than the blue. Usually the density of the pad determines relative cut.

In Lake Country's CCS line, the Pink pad is rougher than even the yellow, but it's listed as a light cutting/heavy polishing pad. That pad always destroyed swirls for me using Ultimate Compound or M105.

[MIsnowman]

So I just received my order of Hybrid pads and after feeling and looking at them I'm a bit confused on the order that LC lists them as far as cut and finish.

Lake Country:
Orange - Heavy Cutting
Blue - Light Cutting
White - Polishing
Black - Finishing
Gold - Jeweling

Upon inspection I would list them like so:
Blue - Heavy Cutting
Orange - Light cutting
Gold - Very Light Cutting
White - Polishing
Black - Jeweling

Blue is very big open cell like a Rupes cutting pad. And Gold is a very dense foam. Does LC have these listed incorrectly, or am I just out of the loop of knowledge on cell structure and what makes a cutting pad vs a finishing pad?

The orange hybrid is definitely more agressive than the blue. I think it's actually listed as the most agressive foam pad LC offers. I have mostly used the blue pad when compounding as it has always been sufficient. The white polishing pad is more aggressive than some other polishing pads, but still finishes really well for me. I've used a black pad with Menzerna SF4500 with really good results too. I haven't used any of the wax/sealant pads so I can't comment on them.

[Mike@DedicatedPerfection]

Upon inspection based on feel alone, the Hybrid blue pad does "feel" to come off as more aggressive than the orange Hybrid pad. However don't be fooled by just the feel alone.

As for pad Hybrid pad aggressiveness, reference these charts.
Lake Country All Wool & Foam Comparison Chart

Pay attention to response number 2 on how aggressive the orange pad really is.
Lake Country Hybrid Aggressiveness Pad Chart

[rcoops77]

Yeah I made a boo boo when using hydro-tech pads

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/...ad.php?t=94147

Lucky it was dialing in a test spot.

Looking forward to readjusting

[aim4squirrels]

The gold pad is for jeweling, don't be fooled by the apparent smooth feel of the surface of the black pad in ranking it as better. The gold pad will compress and give more than the black, taking some of the energy of the machine's work with it.

When talking about polishing at that fine a level, Black or gold won't matter unless you're using a polish so fine that the cut from it alone is minimal. Of course, that means you've used a previous polishing step to get ready for that type of work.

Compounds and polishes are really just "liquefied sandpaper" of a sort. Using an aggressiveness chart allows you to compare the different brands and step down appropriately just like you do when sanding to get a better finish.

You can think of pads in sort of the same way.

[FUNX650]

I can appreciate and understand your
confusion regarding buffing pads.

As such, and, IMO:
I believe that in order to better understand what
each "type" (and not necessarily the "color") of
buffing pad is capable of during the buffing processes:

Manufacturers', and vendors', descriptions and
characteristics of foam (and: wool; MF;"specialty")
pads...should definitely include, where applicable:
Density; compression rate; whether it's reticulated,
or not; and the PPI of each pad.



Bob

[FinishingTouchA]

The gold pad is for jeweling, don't be fooled by the apparent smooth feel of the surface of the black pad in ranking it as better. The gold pad will compress and give more than the black, taking some of the energy of the machine's work with it.

When talking about polishing at that fine a level, Black or gold won't matter unless you're using a polish so fine that the cut from it alone is minimal. Of course, that means you've used a previous polishing step to get ready for that type of work.

Compounds and polishes are really just "liquefied sandpaper" of a sort. Using an aggressiveness chart allows you to compare the different brands and step down appropriately just like you do when sanding to get a better finish.

You can think of pads in sort of the same way.

Still a bit confused. The gold pad is just as dense as the orange pad, I don't see how it could possibly compress like the black pad. The black pad feels like a white Rupes pad.

Anyways, I got the chance to try the white pad with Menz 3in1 today and I'm in love! Honestly though, still like the Rupes more. The Rupes 21 with Rupes Yellow pad had more cut and a better finish with equal pressure, passes, working time, etc.

[Bunky]

I
Manufacturers', and vendors', descriptions and
characteristics of foam (and: wool; MF;"specialty")
pads...should definitely include, where applicable:
Density; compression rate; whether it's reticulated,
or not; and the PPI of each pad.

To me this is like comparing engines based upon various aspects on engine construction but does not really tranlate directly to how much hp, torque it puts out.

I would prefer to see an standard industry comparison method that provides results - cut , gloss, etc.that actual relate to polishing and not how it is made.

[FUNX650]

To me this is like comparing engines based upon various aspects on engine construction but does not really tranlate directly to how much hp, torque it puts out.

Talk about trying to confuse the issue!

I would prefer to see an standard industry comparison method that provides results - cut , gloss, etc.that actual relate to polishing and not how it is made.

I urge you to also get to know the true
aggressiveness-values of the compounds
or polishes you are working with.


Bob