MF Pad System...Devil's Advocate Thread

**05xrunner** · 02-21-2011, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by RaskyR1

Yes and yes.

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I was gonna ask about what to use..Are you guys just washing them with the same Microfiber detergent we use for the towels? or something else?

**RaskyR1** · 02-21-2011, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by 05xrunner

I was gonna ask about what to use..Are you guys just washing them with the same Microfiber detergent we use for the towels? or something else?

I've just been washing mine by hand after sitting in some snappy clean as I only have a couple pads.

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**Shawn T.** · 02-21-2011, 05:54 PM

Thank you Mr. Stoops!

Getting back on topic is a great idea.

This thread sounded like a bad political campaign.......

**LuxuryMobile** · 02-21-2011, 06:00 PM

Great response by Stoops. I look forward to giving these a shot. Not in a huge rush, but seems like it will be a nice system if you can fit it into your needs, if not then thats ok too.

**Michael Stoops** · 02-21-2011, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by jkk7479

No system is perfect, I'm not looking for a perfect system. I'm looking for the system that I think works the best and take it from there. These are just tools to help us achieve what we are after.

And the reality is, that's the best any of us can hope for in this game. There are just too many variables for any one system to be the "be all and end all" for anyone.

Originally Posted by embolism

I don't get what all the fuss is about either. Some people like 105/205, some people like Menzerna/Wolfgang. The 2 are not in the same boat pricewise but people are able to discuss them in harmony...

People do get a bit passionate about all this, don't they? And yet, using such a wide variety of tools, liquids, pads, etc we see plenty of people achieving outstanding results on a wide variety of paint systems. Only so much of the process can come out of a bottle - the guy behind the buffer still has to understand the process and know what he's doing. At the end of the day, if the defects are gone and the paint looks gorgeous (and the customer is happy), it doesn't make one bit of difference how you got there. Well, as long as you didn't sand the clear down to the last molecular layer!!

Originally Posted by aerogt01

Did I miss something in the last dozen reviews I read?

Are these pads really machine washable/dryable?

As Chad points out, yes and yes.

Originally Posted by 05xrunner

I was gonna ask about what to use..Are you guys just washing them with the same Microfiber detergent we use for the towels? or something else?

Wash them exactly the same way as you do your microfiber towels. Heck wash 'em with your microfiber towels if you want to. If you use a specialized microfiber specific detergent, that's fine. If you just go with an over the counter laundry detergent, that's fine too.

**WestEnd** · 02-21-2011, 06:48 PM

Thanks for some clarification, Stoops!!

I have changed my mind on waiting for more reviews. I again watched the video with Phillips and somehow, the first time around, missed you guys cleaning the pad with the brush instead of air. That was the hangup for me, no compressor and completely forgot about the brush being effective.

Also, this is what the hobby of detailing is for me, having fun and playing around with new products. Plus, I like the idea of the low dusting vs my go to 105/205. Also it's great to throw em into the washer with microfibers and I didn't catch the ~ 50 uses. As a hobbyist, one pad each size will last me forever.

My cost is going to be so minimal, how can I not try these?! It's not like buying a big ticket item.

**fredcandetail** · 02-21-2011, 07:04 PM

Hey Stoops .. As you know folks like to experiment (me included /105+205=WOW) ..

Did anyone of the testers report back with playing outside the box with the MF DA Compound with a regular polishing pad? and what were the results .... AND

Did anyone of the testers report back with playing outside the box with the MF DA Compound and a Surbuf pad? and what were the results

experimenting minds wants to know

**Jason Rose** · 02-21-2011, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by PAR Detailing

I understand where you are coming from spicy. I think to be a wise consumer you have to listen to others and then after that make your own conclusions. This system really could be the greatest thing since sliced bread or it could be a less dusty version of 105/surbuf... who knows.

I will say I am anxious to try it out and to see what it can do. I might make my sisters car the test dummy. I want to really put this system to the test to see if it really is "worth" it and if it is a valuable weapon to have in your back pocket. I dont believe this will replace anyting in my arsenal but possibly be a "go to" product.

When I get it in I will compare results to several other products that many would reach for prior to getting the MF system and I will try and do a good write up/review from an unbiased perspective

Great, thanks for your willingness to try the system...and reserving judgement. I encourage you, and others, to give it a multi-car test. Don't make conclusions on one car. Paint variables and the fact that you are trying something new...you may want to do a few cars before coming to conclusions.

Jason Rose
Meguiar's

**Michael Stoops** · 02-21-2011, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by fredcandetail

Hey Stoops .. As you know folks like to experiment (me included /105+205=WOW) ..

Did anyone of the testers report back with playing outside the box with the MF DA Compound with a regular polishing pad? and what were the results .... AND

Did anyone of the testers report back with playing outside the box with the MF DA Compound and a Surbuf pad? and what were the results

experimenting minds wants to know

I don't recall if the specific combinations you mention have been tested, but guys have used M105 and M86 with the cutting disc, and I have personally used D301 with a foam finishing pad on ridiculously sensitive paint, all with excellent results. We love seeing people experiment - that's one of the reasons M105 has become so popular! Remember, that was designed primarily for use with a wool pad via rotary on fresh paint. But look at how many people are using it with foam pads on a D/A. Heck, even though we're recommending the DA Microfiber Correction System for use on factory cured paint only, that London Cab we did (referenced in the intro post over on MOL) has a 5 year old single stage respray. While that paint was pretty delicate, the system performed beautifully on it.

Who knows, you're liable to come across a particular paint system that responds better to M105 or a Menzerna product on the cutting disc than it does to D300. If that's the case, then you use what works.

**RobZ71LM7** · 02-21-2011, 07:40 PM

It's just another pad system that happens to have specifically engineered compounds/polishes. I think some are threatened by the sensationalism following this product for a couple reasons:

1) They fear it may make their large investment in existing pads, products, machines obsolete

2) That is makes paint correction so easy that the learning curve is so shortened that craftsmen are not as essential and anyone can start performing their work

Both views I think are irrational.