MF Pad System...Devil's Advocate Thread

**RaskyR1** · 02-20-2011, 01:09 PM

I don't think any of the testers have argued whether or not the Surbuf/M105 combo cuts better, or that a follow up step the the D300 compound is needed, after all, it is a 2 step system.

Consistent in all reviews is that the D300 finishes down better than the Surbuf/M105, dusting is FAR less, better working time, and wipe off is a breeze.

I've also found the cleaning of the Surbuf's pads is best done with compressed air, so there really is no added time for me using the MF pads.

The MF pads are more durable, hands down!

This system does not replace a rotary, period. It does however allow users (both novice and pro) to get rotary like results without the increased risk of damaging the paint or leaving holograms. This is simply another great tool for a detailer to have in there arsenal.

Spicy I'm well aware of who you observed the testing with, and we both know that he's a little anti DA. I also noticed one of the paints he used it on was also Jet Black, which I believe at least one of the other testers has said he couldn't get it to finish down well on. Of the cars I worked on only two would not finish down without micro marring.

I understand people being a little cynical about this system, but do you really think I or any of the other detailers who tested it would put there reputation on the line to hype a product for something it's not?

Just my $.02
Rasky

**WestEnd** · 02-20-2011, 01:29 PM

Rasky,

Question for you. When you say rotary results, but doesn't replace, what is the benefit of rotary for you guys? Is it still speed? That's my guess.

Also wanted to thank you for your review and certainly don't question your integrity. But, I would bet your results are much better than mine whether we are using a foam fingerpad, DA or rotary. haha. I still want youto come over and show me how to polish my black car.

**RaskyR1** · 02-20-2011, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by WestEnd

Rasky,

Question for you. When you say rotary results, but doesn't replace, what is the benefit of rotary for you guys? Is it still speed? That's my guess.

Also wanted to thank you for your review and certainly don't question your integrity. But, I would bet your results are much better than mine whether we are using a foam fingerpad, DA or rotary. haha. I still want youto come over and show me how to polish my black car.

Wet sand scratch removal or heavy defect removal on a car with really hard clear. The final finishing step can be slightly better using a rotary on some paints too.

D300/DA + 106fa/rotary = NICE!

Thank you.

Any pad/polish combo takes time to dial in, whether it's a noob or pro using it. IMO this system would be easier to use to a first timer than a diminishing abrasive or even M105/M205 on foam pads.

The fact that they are best cleaned with air is definitely a con to the system, but the target market really is production shops, which will all have air.

Rasky

**2old2change** · 02-20-2011, 02:13 PM

I think this issue is being made over complicated. Kind of like a discussion of which wax is best. No two detailers have the same technique or two cars have identical paint surfaces. If you think the new system or any product in it might be something you would have a use for , by all means give it a try.If not then continue on with what makes ya happy. For myself , I have seen the product used and had a very short hands on trial which has peaked my interest enough to have me want to purchase it and experiment on various surfaces. I don't know of any product that covers all conditions one might encounter. Which means being a hobby or what a person does for a living , multiple products are needed to cover all bases. So whether you believe the hype or not only you can decide if it fits your needs .

**C. Charles Hahn** · 02-20-2011, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Flash Gordon

I sincerely hope this thread stays on a mature enough level that it doesn't get shut down.

There was another very good thread that recently had to be shut down for exactly this reason and I would HATE to see that happen again here.

**Indy YZF** · 02-20-2011, 02:22 PM

Hey Flash what failures are you talking about? I mostly use Meguiar's products almost exclusively and I've never had an issue with any of them. I'm interested in the new system and it looks like it'll deliver a good finish in a quick amount of time with less cleanup than the M105 Surbuf or Foam pad combos (easy wipe off, less dust). Can you elaborate on your issues?

**Grizzly** · 02-20-2011, 02:24 PM

Me thinks its not the "revolution" but just probably a good system is all.

Havent tried it myself so I am not going to comment on something I have not used.

**Grizzly** · 02-20-2011, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Indy YZF

Hey Flash what failures are you talking about? I mostly use Meguiar's products almost exclusively and I've never had an issue with any of them.

Well either you have had really good luck or only used limited products fromt their lineup as they do have a couple "duds". G110, V2, consumer items, etc.

That company started to sink by the end of 09.

But they must be filthy rich with all the 105/205 they sell and will be laughing to the bank the first two weeks after this system is released.

**C. Charles Hahn** · 02-20-2011, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Flash Gordon

Its funny to me how little amount of money ppl will sell there reputations for. I hope that bottle of wax and box of pads were worth it, because if this product doesn't perform as well as the testers have claimed, then from this point forward anything they recommend will be suspect

I can see where you're coming from, and I even agree with your assessment in some areas, but in the case of the MF system specifically it has been stated many times that they've been developing the system for several years, beginning long before 3M had anything to do with Meguiar's.

**cnfowler** · 02-20-2011, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Flash Gordon

With all due respect. I only see Nick posting on the Meguiars Forum. So his opinion on the matter is next to worthless IMO

Furthermore, if he is stating that this new system will completely remove the need to use a Ratory, then I know he is blowing smoke

Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis

You literally took the words right out of my mouth. Thank you!
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First off, Nick is a highly experienced, highly sought after professional. Regardless of what forum he spends most of his time on, his opinion on all things detailing does matter.

You didn't read my post correctly. Nick stated in his review that the system all but replaced his rotary. Nowhere did I nor he state it replaced his rotary.

Colin