Improving IPA solution for LSP prep

[Calendyr]

Ok, so I was about to order some Eraser after reading about it several times on this forum... then I saw the price. Roughtly 10 times the price of my IPA solution ;(

So I thought : "Well, the advantage of Eraser is to provide lubricity while stripping"... so why not add lubrication to the IPA solution?

My first thought was to use a little bit of ONR but I know it will leave a polymer coating behind so that is not the best if you want to apply a coating or a sealant.

What do you guys think about adding soft soap? Could be a few drops of dishwashing liquid, or car shampoo... Something like that.

What do you guys think? If you were to do this, how much soap would you use? My first guess would be something like 127:1 so one ounce per gallon of solution. Think it's enough? Too much?

I would love to read what you think about this.

[wdmaccord]

I would think that would cause spotting/streaking?

[jamesboyy]

I personally would not add any soap to my IPA solution for the fact that it leaves a film behind and if I did use soap I would add a drop of baby soap

[Calendyr]

Hum... you are wiping it off right away, why would it leave streaks or spots?

Baby soap, noted. Can't wait to see what everyone else has to say

I decided not to order Eraser with this order. It's my first order with E-Shine, I swore I would not order from any Canadian distibutors anymore but I decided to give them a chance. Just wished they had the one item I really needed in stock: A pad washer. Hopefully they will get it in stock before I decide to order from Autogeek directly. You guys should really open a Canadian store ;(

Ok back on subject. After 2 posts, a little bit of baby oïl to the solution...

[chet31]

I plan to experiment with adding ONR to an IPA solution. I saw a post where an Optimum employee indicated ONR could be used as a final wash before any Optimum LSP, including Opti-Coat, with no IPA wipedown needed.

Also, when you do an ONR wash, your diluting 1 oz in two gallons of water, most of which falls off the car. Then the rest is dried off. Whatever gloss enhancer is left behind is going to be minimal and will be overwhelmed by a pad full of LSP, not to mention the agitation.

So, I personally would not worry about ONR as a precursor to an LSP, unless the LSP is a permanent coating not made by Optimum, then I would probably follow the mfg instructions.

[FUNX650]

I suppose a person could try making up their own version of "Eraser" by closely mimicking its ingredients:
•IPA...<30&#37;
•DI Water...>60%
•Sodium Laureth Sulfate...1-3%
•Odor additive...1%

So I'll suggest:
•Use/Purchase IPA @ 90%
•Add some Dial or Ivory Liquid Hand Soap
•("Odor" will be provided by the Hand Soap)

Mixing Method: "Shaken, not stirred"


J.B. ("Bob") Bond

[Kitoy22]

I suppose a person could try making up their own version of "Eraser" by closely mimicking its ingredients:
•IPA...<30%
•DI Water...>60%
•Sodium Laureth Sulfate...1-3%
•Odor additive...1%

So I'll suggest:
•Use/Purchase IPA @ 90%
•Add some Dial or Ivory Liquid Hand Soap
•("Odor" will be provided by the Hand Soap)

Mixing Method: "Shaken, not stirred"


J.B. ("Bob") Bond

I'm Assuming sodium laureth sulfate will act as a lubricant, is this correct? I am currently using 15% IPA with wash dilution of ONR. Looks like a faded eraser, lol. Works fine, used it before applying PNS. But will definitely try this one, thanks Bob!

[Calendyr]

I suppose a person could try making up their own version of "Eraser" by closely mimicking its ingredients:
•IPA...<30%
•DI Water...>60%
•Sodium Laureth Sulfate...1-3%
•Odor additive...1%

So I'll suggest:
•Use/Purchase IPA @ 90%
•Add some Dial or Ivory Liquid Hand Soap
•("Odor" will be provided by the Hand Soap)

Mixing Method: "Shaken, not stirred"


J.B. ("Bob") Bond

So you would not go the baby shampoo way? I have seen a lot of your posts and you seems knowledgeable so I am inclined to take your advice on this.

What do you think about what Chet31 said regarding ONR?

I could not care less about odors LOL

And regarding the Shaken, not stirred quote, I have read experts saying that is the worst possible way to make a Martini So be warned

[Lowejackson]

I have used IPA with ONR without any problems and just as an aside it also works very well as a DIY glass cleaner. As said above, I would not try this mixture if using a coating but for any sealant which has solvents, these will remove any trace of ONR.

Sometime ago I tried removing various polishing oils with just ONR and this seem to work very well but my testing was done on glass and have yet to find a way to clearly determine if all polishing oils have been removed from paint

[Calendyr]

Ok I decided to mix a batch and I will try to use it tomorrow. If it doesn't work well I will go back to the drawing board LOL

So I used:

64 ounces of distilled water
32 ounces of IPA (70&#37; concentration)
1 ounce of baby shampoo
1 ounce of dawn dish soap
1 ounce of liquid hand soap

Could not decide what was best so I used all 3 LOL

So that comes to a little over 3% soap, 23% alcohol. A little weaker than Eraser but still much much stronger than what I used for an IPA solution (10% was my default).

Total cost for 98 ounces: 10$
So that's only 10 cents an ounce compared to 1.24$ for eraser (prices are in Canadian money and includes taxes). HUGE DIFFERENCE!