Waxing new paint?

Mike Phillips · 03-05-2010, 07:46 AM

Just to chime in...

This question comes up very often on discussion forums for a good reason and if you've ever had a car re-painted or even just a panel they you can relate because you know the cost involved and the little things like how you have to drive a different car or get rides while your car is getting painted, not a hassle for everyone but it is an interruption in your life unless you're working on a project car and already planned for the paint job.

My friend and an engineer, which is just my way of saying he's a man that is thorough in his research and analysis, researched all or most of the major automotive paint manufactures to find out what "they" recommend for "their" paint systems for a waiting time to "seal" the paint after it is sprayed. All paint manufactures recommend waiting at least 30 days air-cure before sealing the paint and some recommend up to 60 to 90 days to wait before sealing the paint. For those of you that have been in the detailing forum world for any length of time will know this forum member as Paul aka the other pc

That all said, most painters recommend waiting at least 30 days before sealing the paint but there are numerous stories of people sealing the paint before 30 days and experiencing no problems.

My question is always... what's the hurry?

Sure some people need to pick up their car from the body shop and put it back into service that day. Even so, modern clear coats are pretty touch compared to paint technology just 30 years ago. Also consider, ANYTHING corrosive enough to harm a modern clear coat finish is strong enough to obliterate a micron or even sub-micron thin layer of protection of any coating of wax or paint sealant. So if something lands on your fresh paint or your original paint, if it's corrosive enough to eat into and etch the paint it's going to do it whether you seal it with wax or paint sealant anyways.

Most waxes and paint sealants can only slow down the corrosive effect of harmful substances that land on your car's paint, not stop it in its tracks.

There's a lot of confusion over "Waxes" and "Paint Sealant" but they both fall into the same category of products and that's "Paint Protection Products", that is you apply them with the hope they will leave behind a layer of protection on the surface of your car's paint to protect it AND also make the paint look good.

(That's the reason right? Anyone want to post their opinion as to why we wax or paint sealant our car's paint?)

Fresh paint outgasses, that is the solvents and other ingredients work their way off the paint and the idea behind not "sealing" the paint is to not hinder the outgassing process.

Now I always read someone on some forum posting that the paint is catalyzed and hardened and by the time you pick up your car from the body shop the paint is fully cured and and safe to wax. People will also say the paint was heat baked at the body shop and the same thing, paint is fully cured and and safe to wax.

I asked the head chemist at Meguiar's about this and he laughed at these types of comments and in his normal way of making the complex very simple to understand he said,

"Mike, if you have your car painted or just a fender painted at a body shop and then take the car home, park it in your garage, close the garage door and go inside and watch a football game, and then come back out to the garage after a few hours... what do you smell in the garage?"

My answer was "Fresh paint?"

And he said "yes"

Now if you're smelling anything related to the fresh paint in your garage what do you think you're actually smelling? My guess would be one of the solvents used to thin the paint so it can be sprayed evaporating off the paint. Just a guess. And that would actually be some type of molecule floating in the air, that came off the paint going into your nose.

Now if you repeat the above and don't smell anything in your garage than that's probably a pretty good sing nothing or very little is still outgassing BUT the idea behind paint manufactures recommending that you wait at least 30 days before "Sealing" the paint is to provide a "Window of time" for the paint to fully outgass, dry and harden before you seal the surface.

The paint might be fully outgassed, dried and hardened one day after it was sprayed, 3 days after it was sprayed, 17 days after it was sprayed or 29 days after it was sprayed, but since there's no quick, simple and easy way for the average car owner to test and confirm this point in time, a General Rule of Thumb is to wait for 30 days before sealing the paint.

Make sense?

So seal your fresh paint with a wax or paint sealant right there at the body shop after you pay your bill or drive your car home and do it there or wait 30 days, you have the power in your hand to make that decision.

I also wrote a rather long explanation on this topic back in 2004 because the topic comes up so often...

Paint Needs to Breathe

**Irish** · 03-05-2010, 08:36 AM

I've always heard 30 days or when you can't smell it anymore, whichever applies.

My side scoops made it about three weeks before I broke down. Haven't noticed anything wrong with them in the month since.

Mike Phillips · 03-05-2010, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by Irish

My side scoops made it about three weeks before I broke down.

I once worked with a guy getting a 1967 Mustang Fastback painted via the MOL forum, after it was painted, he was in this same "How soon before I can wax it" dilemma as he was panicky to say the least about protecting his 3-year restoration project.

He made it to 29 days and then couldn't stand it any longer and came to the forum and asked it was okay to wax it!

I think he was just seeking assurance, everyone chimed in and said go for it!

That must have been an exciting time for him, seeing this baby all the way through to the LSP, that is the Last Step Process and that's sealing the new paint with a finishing wax. (or paint sealant for all you D.O. guys).

**clm65** · 03-05-2010, 11:31 AM

Uh oh...now I'm nervous. I put Klasse AIO and sealant glaze on my new truck a week and a half after I got it. It's only been a few weeks now...

**mtnbiker** · 03-05-2010, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by clm65

Uh oh...now I'm nervous. I put Klasse AIO and sealant glaze on my new truck a week and a half after I got it. It's only been a few weeks now...

Uh Oh!.... :-)

Mike Phillips · 03-05-2010, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by clm65

Uh oh...now I'm nervous. I put Klasse AIO and sealant glaze on my new truck a week and a half after I got it. It's only been a few weeks now...

This was pointed out earlier but here it is again...

The waiting time to wax or seal paint is about FRESH PAINT, as in paint sprayed brand new onto a car.

If you BOUGHT a new car or truck, the paint was baked on in an oven as the vehicle moved down the assembly line and by the time it pops out the other end the paint is fully cured. This means by the time it's transported to a dealership and you purchase it and drive it home it's completely safe to apply a wax or paint sealant.

If your car or truck is new then you're good to go unless it was damaged and you've had it repainted or the dealership had it repainted.

**A4 1.8tqm** · 03-05-2010, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Mike.Phillips@Autogeek

Just to chime in...

I asked the head chemist at Meguiar's about this and he laughed at these types of comments and in his normal way of making the complex very simple to understand he said,

"Mike, if you have your car painted or just a fender painted at a body shop and then take the car home, park it in your garage, close the garage door and go inside and watch a football game, and then come back out to the garage after a few hours... what do you smell in the garage?"

My answer was "Fresh paint?"

And he said "yes"

Now if you're smelling anything related to the fresh paint in your garage what do you think you're actually smelling? My guess would be one of the solvents used to thin the paint so it can be sprayed evaporating off the paint. Just a guess. And that would actually be some type of molecule floating in the air, that came off the paint going into your nose.

Now if you repeat the above and don't smell anything in your garage than that's probably a pretty good sign nothing or very little is still outgassing BUT the idea behind paint manufactures recommending that you wait at least 30 days before "Sealing" the paint is to provide a "Window of time" for the paint to fully outgass, dry and harden before you seal the surface.

Really gats the point across in an easy to understand way.

**clm65** · 03-05-2010, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Mike.Phillips@Autogeek

This was pointed out earlier but here it is again...

The waiting time to wax or seal paint is about FRESH PAINT, as in paint sprayed brand new onto a car.

If you BOUGHT a new car or truck, the paint was baked on in an oven as the vehicle moved down the assembly line and by the time it pops out the other end the paint is fully cured. This means by the time it's transported to a dealership and you purchase it and drive it home it's completely safe to apply a wax or paint sealant.

If your car or truck is new then you're good to go unless it was damaged and you've had it repainted or the dealership had it repainted.

I will sleep better tonight! Thanks!

Craig

**HotRod** · 03-05-2010, 05:58 PM

I called the body shop that painted the customers car, and he told me it was too soon too wax, it needs to cure for at least 90 days in 70 degree or higher weather. But since it has not even hit 70 degrees here this year, he said it would be safer to wait 6 months before any wax or protectant is applied to the paint.