Mayday Mayday! Oxidation/clear coat failure comes back!

**spinz** · 01-08-2014, 11:14 AM

Hi Geeks,

I detailed a black Honda not long ago, i managed to fix the oxidation/clear coat failure (Sorry i'm not sure which one is the most accurate to describe this defect.) 2008 Black Honda Civic - Oxidation Removal

To my astonishment, after a week when i looked at the car i found the oxidation/clear coat failure came back on the same panels...

I remember the pads did turn black when i buffed the paint, but the color on the pad was only noticeable on the first 5-6 section passes, and it became less noticeable after that. So i thought it was the dirt removed but not the paint removed.

It wasn't look like this when i detailed the car, but now i can see it is slowly going back to its former condition...

Is there a solution to this problem?
Or i can only educate the owner it's time to go for a repaint?

**hernandez.art13** · 01-08-2014, 11:19 AM

I'll subscribe and see what everyone else has to say,

Good luck

**GenesisCoupe** · 01-08-2014, 11:26 AM

what about laying some Meguire's #7 on the paint and let it soak in a bit? Then polish it out with your polish/pad or choice.

There was a member who used Meguire's #7 on some very dull/oxidised paint and had great luck with it. Mike P. wrote an article on it too.

**Evan.J** · 01-08-2014, 11:27 AM

The only way to fix clear coat failure is to get a repaint.

You can cover it up with a wax or slanat and it will blend the color and make it less noticable but you cant fix it with out a repaint.

**2old2change** · 01-08-2014, 11:30 AM

You can dress up small amounts of cc failure but it's only temporary at best. Time for a repaint.

**Bill1234** · 01-08-2014, 11:33 AM

Are you sure this car is not single stage? Might want to try using meguiars ultimate compound here if there is clear to take off

**parttimer** · 01-08-2014, 11:35 AM

That looks like failure to me too. Once it fails its done. Sorry.

**allenk4** · 01-08-2014, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by GenesisCoupe

what about laying some Meguire's #7 on the paint and let it soak in a bit? Then polish it out with your polish/pad or choice.

There was a member who used Meguire's #7 on some very dull/oxidised (sp) paint and had great luck with it. Mike P. wrote an article on it too.

A black 2008 Honda should certainly not be single stage paint if it is an OEM finish.

If if it is base/clear and you have black on you pads....that would indicate that you have already gone thru the clear coat and the base coat is being exfoliated onto the pad.

**spinz** · 01-09-2014, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by GenesisCoupe

what about laying some Meguire's #7 on the paint and let it soak in a bit? Then polish it out with your polish/pad or choice.

There was a member who used Meguire's #7 on some very dull/oxidised paint and had great luck with it. Mike P. wrote an article on it too.

I don't have Meguiar's #7 in my arsenal, i thought glaze is only used to hide swirls/buffer trails?
I'm thinking switching to a thicker LSP, which is Opticoat 2.0, not sure if the thickness of Opticoat will help to seal the paint better?

Originally Posted by 2old2change

You can dress up small amounts of cc failure but it's only temporary at best. Time for a repaint.

Originally Posted by Evan.J

The only way to fix clear coat failure is to get a repaint.

You can cover it up with a wax or slanat and it will blend the color and make it less noticable but you cant fix it with out a repaint.

What is the alternative or better way to advise the owner to get a repaint other than just saying "Sorry, i couldn't help much here and it is time for a repaint."?

Originally Posted by allenk4

A black 2008 Honda should certainly not be single stage paint if it is an OEM finish.

If if it is base/clear and you have black on you pads....that would indicate that you have already gone thru the clear coat and the base coat is being exfoliated onto the pad.

According to the owner, those panels have been repainted at body shop before.
I had black on my pads on the first few section passes, it became less noticeable after that.

**hernandez.art13** · 01-09-2014, 12:39 PM

They do look more repainted then CC failure. I thought that but then you mentioned there was paint transfer to your pad. So that thew me off.

I would have guessed that maybe it had been repainted and maybe just never sanded and buffed or never sanded and buffed correctly, but like I said above the paint transfer to your pad threw me off.

Since you say it has been repainted before, maybe a new repaint done properly would be necessary. But who knows, just my 0.02 cents