Phoenix EOD Hydra

[Ace22]

I like when it evaporates well and doesn't streak. Ech20 is the one RW/WW product that gave me a bit of trouble with streaking. Not always. Had to really cut it down at 1:25.

The biggest difference between Feynlab Pure and all the others is how well Feynlab wets the surface. One of the things they mention is how many RW's are repelled by the surface. Feynlab clings to the surface so well where it looks like there is no protection. It's completely flat. It allows it to encapsulate and chemically break down the surface contaminates better, so they say. It's a pretty noticeable difference compared to all the other rinseless products from what I've seen.

That's interesting, as this is what I noticed as well with Hydra...it didn't run down the panels like Uber (which is super slick)...but rather clings to the surface. I also had issues with ONR streaking and even though it worked well, I always had to go back over the panels to remove. I will definitely look at Feynlab's product as well. Cheers

[CleanIT]

I'm going to try it as a pre-wash this weekend. Being it clings so well to the surface, I'd expect it to be a good pre-soak too. I'm using my Marolex sprayer now for pre-soaks using Feynlab, OPC and eventually BH AF.

[Coatingsarecrack]

The SCIENCE behind DIY Detail Rinseless Wash! DIY Detail Podcast #15 - YouTube

Sounds like DIY is another good one. Some formulation talk in this video.

I've yet to use a RW that didn't work well. Been using Feynlab last few times. Cleans exceptionally well. Wets the surface better than ONR. Griot's works similar to ONR. Still love ONR though.

Ech20 is better as a quick high gloss detailer than RW IMO.

Yeah he touted how amazing zwitterionic is which pulls all dirt to the bottom. Now he’s got an excuse why this DIY doesn’t……


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[Coatingsarecrack]

I just noticed they have a foaming version. Is that a discontinued old blend or is it there newest?
Foaming Waterless Car Wash For Exterior & Interior Finish | 3D Car Care

Been out for a while but didn’t catch on because it’s to be used neat which makes it even more expensive than Ammo Frothe.


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[The Guz]

Most of the Phoenix line is white labeled b&b products found in the Adams line up.

[The Guz]

Yeah he touted how amazing zwitterionic is which pulls all dirt to the bottom. Now he’s got an excuse why this DIY doesn’t……


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He stated one somewhere that it is.

[Coatingsarecrack]

He stated one somewhere that it is.

I know that he said it in the video stuff will sink to bottom but he was trying to explain away the dirt floating and suspended in the rinseless saying it wouldn’t affect the wash do to being encapsulated in emulsifiers which I just don’t believe.


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[The Guz]

I know that he said it in the video stuff will sink to bottom but he was trying to explain away the dirt floating and suspended in the rinseless saying it wouldn’t affect the wash do to being encapsulated in emulsifiers which I just don’t believe.


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You may not believe it but the only chemist is the one that designed the product. We all like to play chemist but we are only the end user. Trust the science just like you do with Frothe.

[noorth]

Most of the Phoenix line is white labeled b&b products found in the Adams line up.

Good to know Mike. The marketing is over the top. Evolve or die...give me a break.

I assume apex is getting his new products through phoenix. It's not my business but that comes with being a youtube influencer

[CleanIT]

Most of the Phoenix line is white labeled b&b products found in the Adams line up.

Interesting. I was told he doesn't like B&B lol. He apparently found a chemist that worked in the industry for quite some time.

Also, from their webpage:

"The same mantra has gone into creating our products. With the market as flooded as it is, with everyone saying their product is the best (even though they’re all using the same blenders with the same formulas), it’s not good enough to be the same or just as good (with just a different scent or dye in the color)"