VW Scandal

**wytstang** · 10-02-2015, 09:56 AM

It's unfortunate they cheated/lied to consumers and should "have their feet to the fire" as they say. I'm far from a "tree huger" as my mustang has missing emissions equipment but that was my choice, and it should be left to the individual to do what they please with their vehicle not have it taken from them. Some people bought it for their emission standards and now they are left with a 40+k lie.

**swanicyouth** · 10-02-2015, 10:06 AM

All I have to say on this is - what happened to all the VW-hippy-protect-the-earth nonsense? I thought VW was supposed to be this hip company that keeps the environment in mind?

Now we find the are just corporate polluters like the rest of us.

**SameGuy** · 10-02-2015, 10:56 AM

You forgot one thing, again, just like EPA and the media: the VW brand (ignoring the other VAG nameplates) has perhaps the highest fleet average fuel economy of any major manufacturer. Less hydrocarbons equals less pollution. Period.

**SameGuy** · 10-02-2015, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by wytstang

It's unfortunate they cheated/lied to consumers and should "have their feet to the fire" as they say. I'm far from a "tree huger" as my mustang has missing emissions equipment but that was my choice, and it should be left to the individual to do what they please with their vehicle not have it taken from them. Some people bought it for their emission standards and now they are left with a 40+k lie.

Ummm, doing "what they please" not a choice the consumer gets to make, legally speaking. If you tamper with factory-installed, government-mandated and -regulated emissions controls, you, the consumer, are in violation of federal law. The choice is whether or not to violate the law.

**FUNX650** · 10-02-2015, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by SameGuy

Less hydrocarbons equals less pollution. Period.

I also believe that having less hydrocarbons,
[example: triterpene-hydrocarbons (Human sebum)],
will be a definite factor in having less overall pollution.

Bob

**MPBGT** · 10-02-2015, 05:45 PM

There are a lot of factors here that I am by no means an expert on. It can also be argued to fit any agenda.

Regardless being dishonest and misrepresenting a product is very wrong. I still believe the overall environmental impact is being blown way out of proportion.

**Ricorocks** · 10-02-2015, 07:04 PM

Agree! We've devised a system, to address environmental concerns, for sure it's not perfect, but still needs to be adhered to.

**SameGuy** · 10-02-2015, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by MPBGT

There are a lot of factors here that I am by no means an expert on. It can also be argued to fit any agenda.

Regardless being dishonest and misrepresenting a product is very wrong. I still believe the overall environmental impact is being blown way out of proportion.

Originally Posted by Ricorocks

Agree! We've devised a system, to address environmental concerns, for sure it's not perfect, but still needs to be adhered to.

We are all on the same page.

**GSKR** · 10-02-2015, 08:40 PM

I said exhaust fumes contribute to cancer promblems ,nothing worse than these diesel truck in fla the tail pipe is on the roof on buses which still polluting the air ,look at your weed wacker mower smoke stacks worst of all jet airplanes .

**oldmodman** · 10-03-2015, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by Ricorocks

Agree! We've devised a system, to address environmental concerns, for sure it's not perfect, but still needs to be adhered to.

Originally Posted by SameGuy

We are all on the same page.

No.

Not so much.

Can you name one single anti pollution law that you (or me) as a voter was given the ability to vote on?

If not then "we" are not part of that "we've" you mentioned.
And don't EVEN suggest that we have a representative government.
I have NEVER had MY views given a seconds thought by any of my states representatives or senators.
As a matter of fact Diane Feinstein lied directly to my face, in person, when I asked her if every penny of the states off road vehicle fund would be spent on off road parks and improvement of trails. She said that it certainly would and then within four months had seized all the money and diverted it to the general fund. Where it was spent on programs that I would not have funded if Hell froze over.
No money was ever spent on off roaders that was taken from off roaders.
And now the federal and state taxers want to increase the over the road taxes and fuel taxes. For road repairs? Hell no! They will loot that fund and transfer it to some easier to hide appropriations fund and that money will vanish too.