Meguiars buys 3D

**SON1C** · 10-09-2013, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by allenk4

1st Kevin Brown post since 02-23-2012, 02:21 AM

lol live stats! thank you allen

**KillaCam** · 10-09-2013, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by SON1C

Longer working time with the compound polishing the paint, minimal dusting, perfect example 105 vs hd cut or even m101 vs hd cut
although thanks to JSou I had the opportunity to work with wolfgang uber for a couple days on several vehicles and that is quite a compound, great cut, finishes well, incredible work time.
Don't mean to start a debate with all of this, just throwing my 2c in.

However I do know you are the 105 king and I lost track of how many times I tried to replicate your method with using m105! While it has great cut and finishes well it is a bear to work with in my opinion thus I have turned to other compounds.

SMAT vs DAT. You are comparing apples to oranges. Meguiars compounds weren't designed to have diminishing abrasives. Squirt a small amount of water after working the product for more cut and longer working time. Don't see why people have so many problems with meguiars 105....

**PorscheGuy997** · 10-09-2013, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by SON1C

I hope they do so 3d can teach meguiars about working time within compounds

Does a working time for a compound have to be long for it to remove the defect?

If you really want some work time, add some mineral oil to the compound and spend extra time trying to remove the oily residue. Or, try and make D300 dry up.

Originally Posted by VP Mark

If this is true I will be ordering some gallons before 3m ruins their product line

What exactly was ruined? We're all curious to know, since there's so much "secret" information in this thread.

**SON1C** · 10-09-2013, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by KillaCam

SMAT vs DAT. You are comparing apples to oranges. Meguiars compounds weren't designed to have diminishing abrasives. Squirt a small amount of water after working the product for more cut and longer working time. Don't see why people have so many problems with meguiars 105....

I do, simply stated my opinion.

**SON1C** · 10-09-2013, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by PorscheGuy997

Does a working time for a compound have to be long for it to remove the defect?

If you really want some work time, add some mineral oil to the compound and spend extra time trying to remove the oily residue. Or, try and make D300 dry up.

What exactly was ruined? We're all curious to know, since there's so much "secret" information in this thread.

Preference. I like long working times. I actually love d300 and I have seen it dried up.

**Kevin Brown** · 10-09-2013, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by SON1C

Longer working time with the compound polishing the paint, minimal dusting, perfect example 105 vs hd cut or even m101 vs hd cut
although thanks to JSou I had the opportunity to work with wolfgang uber for a couple days on several vehicles and that is quite a compound, great cut, finishes well, incredible work time.
Don't mean to start a debate with all of this, just throwing my 2c in.

However I do know you are the 105 king and I lost track of how many times I tried to replicate your method with using m105! While it has great cut and finishes well it is a bear to work with in my opinion thus I have turned to other compounds.

No sweat, not lookng for trouble...

Just interested to talk about things like this. Sometimes a simple statement can lead into a really great discussion!

There's so many ways to extend or shorten the length of a buffing cycle. If we're on the same page here, you are basically wanting an increase in the amount of time that one application of a buffing liquid can be used?

In addition, you don't want dust, or you believe that the compound you were using dusted too much?

**Shane731** · 10-09-2013, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin Brown

No sweat, not lookng for trouble...

Just interested to talk about things like this. Sometimes a simple statement can lead into a really great discussion!

There's so many ways to extend or shorten the length of a buffing cycle. If we're on the same page here, you are basically wanting an increase in the amount of time that one application of a buffing liquid can be used?

In addition, you don't want dust, or you believe that the compound you were using dusted too much?

Kevin Brown has spoken! The heat is on!

**C. Charles Hahn** · 10-09-2013, 11:49 PM

Just spit-balling here, but I think having at least some degree of dust is a natural and expected byproduct of compounding. All of those spent abrasives and removed paint have to go somewhere!

Sure you can make a compound dust less by adding oils or other such things to the formula that keeps everything "in suspension" instead of letting it be expelled as dust, but it would seem to me that doing so also has the potential to gum pads up more quickly and reduce cut as the abrasives are caught within the suspension fluid (not to be confused with blinker fluid).

I see it as not much different than the way the polymers in a rinseless/waterless wash product encapsulate dirt and particulates away from the finish. It's a careful balance to get the proportions just right and determine what effect which oil, solvent, or abrasive set will ultimately have on cut/working time/aggressiveness/etc. Let alone the issue of paint swell (a subject which I believe was beaten to death already a few years ago).

That isn't saying that a quest for less dusting isn't valid if you've got the extra time to burn and/or are specifically after something with less cut; but heavy cutting at its most aggressive is almost always accompanied by dust on some level.

Oh, and as for Meguiar's buying 3D? Someone hasn't been studying up....

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**hernandez.art13** · 10-10-2013, 12:10 AM

I am still surprised to learn that so many seek the less dust option.

For a longer working time, it makes sense. But not as much for clean up, IMO.

I always hear how 105 dusts so much, yet I find it to be a very easy product to use. With minimal dust.

I am going to get me some M100 and toy with that. I feel like wet sanding something lol. Anybody have a repaint that they want sanded, buff, polished and sealed?

**Mike@DedicatedPerfection** · 10-10-2013, 01:17 AM

Originally Posted by stilltipping3

I heard Megs bought out 3D. Can any1 confirm this?

Meguiar's DID NOT buy out 3D.

Las Vegas Car Care (local distributer of Meguiar's products) bought out the 3D store off highway 15 and Cheyenne. LVCC decided to keep the 3D products on the shelf and sell alongside the Meguiar's products as many people in the area are still using 3D.

Talk with Rodney at LVCC for further clarification.