What's everyone's thoughts on the Covid-19 situation?

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dgage said:
I agree with much of what you say and other things I don’t as is standard in discussions and with topics that aren’t easy with black and white answers.

One thing I’ll point out is doctors and scientists have no training for dealing with the assault on science and data. Doctors used to have it pretty easy with patients and at most patients might get a second or even third opinion. Now patients are questioning everything and often not believing their doctor anymore. Questioning wouldn’t be bad if they weren’t getting their facts from Facebook or worse. But there are people just trying to get their names in the headlines as any publicity is good publicity and good for their bottom line. And there are definitely companies benefiting from what is going on but I think it is the individuals that are more focused on using this to their benefit. And because of these people, doctors now have to try to convince their patients of what they should do while fighting all sorts of misinformation and propaganda. When have doctors ever had to have discussions with their patients on whether they should take a horse pill for a human condition?

So one very real issue are that those supporting vaccines don’t know how to deal with the disinformation that comes from every side.

And as Azure stated, the political infighting keeps everyone from focusing on the real issues that we could tackle and address if the people were united. But the infighting most definitely benefits those already in power, regardless of which side of the aisle you’re on.
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Fair reply for sure.

I agree doctors have it tough. I have 3 MD's in our family, 2 here in my area and one in the Far NW USA. 2 have worked the front line with Covid, one had it personally as did her husband. IMO a big part of the challenge is that those in charge flip flop and outright mislead too often in order to manipulate the masses. Even Fauci came out and said that he has said stuff in order to get people to comply more easily. Also, much of what is BS or thought to be BS is because people aren't dumb. I won't go into details but I fact check data as I do lots of work in my line of business and it's in a lab environment too. Information is out there and if people are told the TRUTH more often than not they will do the right thing. However, those same people will put up a wall and fight when lied to and coerced to comply.

I'm of the belief that the misinformation is a result of a lack of trust and honesty. In the absence of truth and transparency, people will indeed go the opposite way and find other sources which are often not grounded in solid facts. Not all inaccurate mind you but not totally real. Add in the feeding of them with disinformation from others it makes for a pretty hairy and difficult situation that will never end well. Blame both side of the political spectrum as they are both guilty.

In the end, the good news is nearly 2 years later we have a fair understanding of who is at risk and from what but now it's a matter of fighting over more than just the virus and the harm it causes. I would argue what is at stake now is even more dangerous and that's our way of life, liberty, and freedoms. I'm more worried about those than I have ever been about covid.
 
Had my second shot of Pfizer and ready to party like it's 1999

I'm glad to help my other citizen's and make this country and my local state get back to a fresh start, So everyone and everything can go back to normal from tourism and local businesses etc, stay safe get the vax and do your part.:wowwow:
 
Tasmania said:
I'm glad to help my other citizen's and make this country and my local state get back to a fresh start, So everyone and everything can go back to normal from tourism and local businesses etc,
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Let us know how that works out. Here stateside, the problem is there is a portion of the country that is still not allowing the vaccinated to get back to normal. It's more partisan it seems as the liberal states and cities are the ones holding the vaccinated hostage. It's ridiculous. Thankfully not where I'm at but there is some bleed over.
 
Tasmania said:
Had my second shot of Pfizer and ready to party like it's 1999

I'm glad to help my other citizen's and make this country and my local state get back to a fresh start, So everyone and everything can go back to normal from tourism and local businesses etc, stay safe get the vax and do your part.:wowwow:
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Hopefully it works out for you, in the states that optimism quickly faded with more fear mongers wanting to be heard, fighting in politics,news and just everyday life. Now we’re facing higher prices, supply chain issues, mandates, issues on what should be taught in schools,attempts to divide each other, renaming holidays, eliminating/ re-writing history etc.
 
vobro said:
Hopefully it works out for you, in the states that optimism quickly faded with more fear mongers wanting to be heard, fighting in politics,news and just everyday life. Now we’re facing higher prices, supply chain issues, mandates, issues on what should be taught in schools,attempts to divide each other, renaming holidays, eliminating/ re-writing history etc.
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In the US they want everyone to "feel" equal while being divided. The distraction that the shot has caused has blined most people to the point that they are willing to give in to anything just to move on to the uncertainty of the future.

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There was a very real surge in cases in various places in the US including my home state of TN. Hospitals were overwhelmed several/many weeks ago and I know there were several local hospitals with refrigerated semi-trailers outside stacking the dead from (primarily) Covid. That surge seems to have subsided here and things seem to be trending to reduced cases and back to “normal”. There was a push back for masks at school here locally but no other mandates occurred. It seems a combination of additional choosing to be vaccinated, some herd immunity and individual choices of moving on/staying home/wearing masks has resulted in reduced cases recently.

The thing I’ve noticed that has changed most is restaurants closing at 8 due to a lack of employees presumably though that isn’t such an easy topic. And stores in general closing earlier and no longer staying open 24 hours. I think some of that is them finally paying attention to the economics and making corrections. One fast food restaurant in town put a note on the door that they were having a hard time finding people as they’d rather stay home to be paid to watch Netflix. That didn’t go so well for them. Chick-fil-A doesn’t have problems finding plenty of people to work but they pay more, train better, and treat their employees better. The normal causes of enough pay and the type of job come into it. Maybe people don’t feel safe working in a job for entry level pay…I have no clue. But I wonder how much of this is due to 700,000 having died from Covid (and other) causes in the last year. Too complicated and too little information to make any determinations from my end and it likely is a little bit of everything leading into it. But stores and restaurants closing early are the only real thing I see being truly different than pre-Covid besides more individuals wearing masks, which was unheard of here pre-Covid.

And the mask mandates in school. Two personal points on that since they initially started the school year without masks. A friend of mine who beat himself up for sending his son back to school without the mask mandate is that he protected his son for over a year from Covid but his 8-year old son got Covid the first week back at school. My 4-year old cousin got Covid from her preschool teacher. No way to know how masks would have helped in that situation since there were no control tests but school definitely wasn’t a safe space for students due to local politics here.
 
dgage said:
A friend of mine who beat himself up for sending his son back to school without the mask mandate is that he protected his son for over a year from Covid but his 8-year old son got Covid the first week back at school. My 4-year old cousin got Covid from her preschool teacher. No way to know how masks would have helped in that situation since there were no control tests but school definitely wasn’t a safe space for students due to local politics here.
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Is your friends son and 4 yr old cousin ok?

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opie said:
Is your friends son and 4 yr old cousin ok?
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Thank you so much for asking. I didn’t hear that my friend’s son was too bad, I think he said it was like a bad flu illness and slightly prolonged symptoms after but now he is good.

My cousin was pretty sick for over 2 weeks with almost a week of a 105/106 temperature if she didn’t take something for the fever. They couldn’t go into the hospital because the local children’s hospital was overwhelmed. Symptoms subsided after 2 weeks but her father said it was worse than any flu he’s seen in a kid.
 
dgage said:
T A friend of mine who beat himself up for sending his son back to school without the mask mandate is that he protected his son for over a year from Covid but his 8-year old son got Covid the first week back at school. My 4-year old cousin got Covid from her preschool teacher. No way to know how masks would have helped in that situation since there were no control tests but school definitely wasn’t a safe space for students due to local politics here.
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our control is our local 3 big high schools that haven't had mask requirements since the start of the year. K-8 schools all have them. Ironically, the high schools have consistently been at the lowest levels of cases and the district tracks and posts them Monday and Thursday. Parents have died down a bit on pushing masking everywhere as the reality is it's making little to no difference among the 6,000+ in three different locations vs all the others that are masked up. Reality is beginning to set in among many
 
Yeah we could get into a detailed discussion on masking, especially it’s effectiveness indoors without good ventilation. Yes masks help with spread but after 50 minutes, the air is homogenized where everyone’s breath is commingled with everyone else’s. Masks might protect a kid in the far left front from a kid with Covid in the far-right rear seat but that’s about it when spending such protracted periods of time together. Masks can be effective in certain instances but blanket policies on such complicated topics don’t get to operate with nuance. And the average public is not capable or willing to deal with anything that requires nuance. Without nuance you get these all or nothing policies where the reality is we need more balance. But America is anything but balanced right now unfortunately.
 
dgage said:
Yeah we could get into a detailed discussion on masking, especially it’s effectiveness indoors without good ventilation. Yes masks help with spread but after 50 minutes, the air is homogenized where everyone’s breath is commingled with everyone else’s. Masks might protect a kid in the far left front from a kid with Covid in the far-right rear seat but that’s about it when spending such protracted periods of time together. Masks can be effective in certain instances but blanket policies on such complicated topics don’t get to operate with nuance. And the average public is not capable or willing to deal with anything that requires nuance. Without nuance you get these all or nothing policies where the reality is we need more balance. But America is anything but balanced right now unfortunately.
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Working in a lab like I do, I have opinions on masking for sure. Especially given the safety training we go through and the feedback and materials we use directly from 3M. In the end, they stop spit and are basically a kleenex. In terms of actually stopping an airborne virus, your typical over-the-counter surgical mask, no. Their effectiveness is minuscule at best really. IMO, their use is being deployed as a mental therapeutic for people to reduce panic and instill a sense of some control among a virus for which there's little to none beyond isolation or social distancing. The last 18 months are pretty much the best real-world case study on masking. The numbers tell the story of their actual real-world effectiveness. I agree that over the course of minutes, the air will be filled with a viral load that is then dispersed through normal air currents in a room and it's HVAC System. Thus why the silly practice of some to wear them when walking in a restaurant but not wearing them at a table is just that, silly.
 
TTQ B4U said:
Their effectiveness is minuscule at best really. IMO, their use is being deployed as a mental therapeutic for people to reduce panic and instill a sense of some control among a virus for which there's little to none beyond isolation or social distancing.

Thus why the silly practice of some to wear them when walking in a restaurant but not wearing them at a table is just that, silly.
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FACTS!!!!!!!!

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IH8SPM said:
FACTS!!!!!!!!
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I second this.....

A example to the effectiveness of these blue light weight maskes the majority wear...... Spray paint a object with a mask on then take the mask off and look in the mirror and tell me how effective they are. And in comparison paint particles are massive.
 
I thought I'd relay this story, hit our news sites yesterday. Late last month we had our AFL Grand Final, sort of like your Super Bowl but smaller, and they play Australian Rules Football. This is normally held in Melbourne, the state capital of Victoria, our second most populace state. But the had a bad Delta outbreak that was getting worse. So they moved it over to Perth, the capital of Western Australia, whose borders are basically closed to any region with Covid and they have basically had no locally transmitted cases.

So there were these 2 guys from Melbourne , their team was playing in the grand final, which they hadn't done for over 50 years, so they just had to be there for the game. They flew out of Melbourne to Darwin, at the top end of Australia, then they forged some documents to show they'd been living in Darwin for months, then flew to Perth and went to the game. Their team won, and they got themselves into the locker rooms to celebrate with their team. They got caught on the television coverage, someone recognised them, knew that they shouldn't be there, and reported them. They were arrested before they could leave Perth, they've now been convicted and sentenced to 10 months in prison, but will be released after 3 with good behaviour.

They may not be saying it now, but in a few years they'll probably say it was worth it.

And here's the thing, they didn't have Covid, they tested negative, but they came from Melbourne where it's running rampant at the moment.

Western Australia is showing that they take their zero Covid state very seriously. They have no lockdown, obviously, and I'm pretty sure they have no mask mandate. Go where you want, do what you want.

Sorry for the long post, just giving an example of how places are doing things differently.

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We had someone that came from Sydney to Tasmania escape there 14 day quarantine
Due to a security breach and also being a numb nut! Was found by the police and fined $3,000 everyone he came into contact with have tested negative.
 
N95 filters down to 3 microns covid is 1.5 microns. So what exactly are the socks we put on our face doing
 
TTQ B4U said:
Or they work in a lab

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I think wearing a mask gives you more protection than not wearing anything. Just because it's not 100% effective, doesn't mean you shouldn't wear one.

One thing to avoid though, don't burp when you're wearing one, it's disgusting.

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