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Re: What can a Cyclo correct...take a look, you'll be suprised!
the biggest disappointment with Cyclo that I can still see is it fails to offer speed adjustibility. I also remember it to be bulkier (heavier) than the current offerings. The two smaller heads obviously work well together and help with some correction.
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Re: What can a Cyclo correct...take a look, you'll be suprised!
Originally Posted by killrwheels@autogeek
the biggest disappointment with Cyclo that I can still see is it fails to offer speed adjustibility. I also remember it to be bulkier (heavier) than the current offerings. The two smaller heads obviously work well together and help with some correction.
Honestly not having adjustable speed doesnt bother me all that much. The single speed setting is fast enough to do correction but you can still spread the polish easily and because its almost impossible to induce holograms with the machine there isnt big need to reduce the speed after full polish breakdown, like you would on a rotary or even a flex when compounding. And yes its bigger but moving it along panels is very smooth and like I said one handed operation is super easy.
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Re: What can a Cyclo correct...take a look, you'll be suprised!
Originally Posted by killrwheels@autogeek
the biggest disappointment with Cyclo that I can still see is it fails to offer speed adjustibility.
Why is that a disappointment? It is obvious speed has been chosen as optimal for that design and that it does not need any more speed to do even heavy correction nor any less speed to work on even gentlest paints.
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Re: What can a Cyclo correct...take a look, you'll be suprised!
Originally Posted by ZoranC
Why is that a disappointment? It is obvious speed has been chosen as optimal for that design and that it does not need any more speed to do even heavy correction nor any less speed to work on even gentlest paints.
from my personal use of the Cyclo (freely admitting it was limited to a couple times) I dont believe heavy correction and Cyclo should be offered. I believe its smaller heads and slower speed can help with minor corrections and jeweling but feel most would be better served with a Flex ROB or dedicated rotary for heavy correction.
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Re: What can a Cyclo correct...take a look, you'll be suprised!
What kind of clear is on that panel?
What if the Hokey Pokey IS what it's all about???
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Re: What can a Cyclo correct...take a look, you'll be suprised!
Originally Posted by ZoranC
Slower speed, smaller head, and less correction? Not according to what I see and what me and others have experienced. If we put aside discussion about experiences (because they can not be eaily presented nor compared) and look at just specs they are:
1) Even though surface of pads is smaller surface of area effectively covered by those pads when tool is in use is approximately same as one covered by 6.5" to 7.5" pad. Thus "smaller head" is irrelevant.
2) Cyclo's head rotates at 3000 orbits per minute. So in orbits per minute Cyclo's head is not slower than any of other tools (including rotary), it is actually faster (because nobody sane, excluding me, runs rotary at 3000 spins per minute). However, we all (or at least some of us) realize it is not tool's spin that abrasive care about, it is speed that it is being moved at (at inches per second) that it cares about and once one starts calculating that speed for movement of Cyclo's heads one starts realizing Cyclo is moving it at the clip that is just fine.
So that sheds light on any misconceptions about Cyclo. Plus in the end it is not specs on paper that matter but actual result in the field and those that have took time to master the Cyclo have found it is very rewarding even though sometimes not as fast as going Tim The Toolman Taylor way.
Theres no misconceptions here about the Cyclo, it is a fine machine but like other orbitals is best used for minor correction and light polishing or jeweling of paint. Opinions do matter and help the end user decide on purchase when spending this coin on a buffer. Your last paragraph on in field results actually re-suggests that opinions matter, is your field all that different from mine ?? Mastering its limitations does take time and commitment I will agree and some may choose its not worth the effort.
An orbital and a circular cannot be measured on the same scale. Orbitals dont spin directly and transfer heat and power to finish the way a rotary does. I do feel a Cyclo has be optimized given its power and head size just as in a manufacturer places the correct size wheels and tires on a car based upon power (engine) and weight. However without a gas pedal/brakes (speed adjustibility) it would be darn hard to pull up a hill or slow coming down and regulating itself going around steep corners. I suppose you might be able to master this also but certainly considered a limitation by some ??
In closing, I am not arguing that a Cyclo doesnt play a part in car care and should not be considered. It should however show pro's and con's as in all items. Since Flex ROB is closest in price and could be considered against Cyclo, then shouldn't its power, weight, speed adjustibility also be considered and maybe to some considered a benefit. (its head size could be faulted if for nothing else as it wont fit everywhere thus a con). I would also challenge it as not being the best choice for full or heavy correction as to a degree a rotary with outplay it with quicker results do to its design.
Last edited by ScottB; 08-03-2008 at 08:17 AM.
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Re: What can a Cyclo correct...take a look, you'll be suprised!
I suppose as with anything there are good points and bad, but as for value the Cyclo is a steal. Thanks to Autogeek I read all the pros in the description of the machine but when I saw the picture my heart almost stopped. Years ago the Fire Department in which I volunteered decided to get a new buffer and throw the old one out as the plug was damaged. I remember taking it home probably 20 years ago but never used it.
When I saw the picture I immediately ran down to the basement to see if I could find it. Well there it was in the farthest corner left neglected for all these years. I copied the Serial number and contacted Cyclo to see how old it was, Wendy at Cyclo Toolmakers said the company was started in 1953 and my machine numbered 3901 was made in the 50s. I put a new plug on it and guess what, it works GREAT. So what more could you expect after 50 years it still does what it was made to do. Buy one with confidence, it hasn’t really even changed much in all these decades, can’t say that for most of what you buy today.
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Re: What can a Cyclo correct...take a look, you'll be suprised!
I love my cyclo. Matter of fact I did some wetsanding with 2000 grit on my 1987 4runner today. I took out the cyclo with Meguiars M105 and edge green foam and finished the paint down mar and scratch free.
AMAZING tool and thats why I always go back to it, plus I love 8" of coverage while polishing a extended SUV!
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Re: What can a Cyclo correct...take a look, you'll be suprised!
Zoran - I sent you an E-mail, so you know where I'm coming from on the whole machine issue. I was in the market for some new toys - until a few set-backs this month. But I have rebounded and now the cyclo is on my list. Thanks
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