P21s

**94LT1** · 06-13-2008, 11:19 PM

My girlfriend works a store that carries P21S.i was wondering if there is a noticeable difference between the concours wax & 100% carnauba wax?also do u need to use paintwork cleansing lotion prior to applying the wax??does it stain trim??

**budman3** · 06-13-2008, 11:32 PM

So far I am liking P21S 100% better than the original P21s. IMO there is a visible difference and most likely durability as well, but it is too early for me to tell with the 100%. You don't need the cleansing lotion but it will help prepare the surface for the wax, it adds something to the finish but isn't needed if you prep it properly otherwise. Neither stain trim ... wipe on, wipe off. Simple simple.

**94LT1** · 06-13-2008, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by budman3

So far I am liking P21S 100% better than the original P21s. IMO there is a visible difference and most likely durability as well, but it is too early for me to tell with the 100%. You don't need the cleansing lotion but it will help prepare the surface for the wax, it adds something to the finish but isn't needed if you prep it properly otherwise. Neither stain trim ... wipe on, wipe off. Simple simple.

well currently i have KAIO.but i plan to either use KAIO or in the near future Poli-seal.would either of those be enough prep?

**jesselyons2002** · 06-14-2008, 12:46 AM

KAIO should be enough. It has a HD cleaner in it.

**wytstang** · 06-14-2008, 01:15 AM

Originally Posted by 94LT1

well currently i have KAIO.but i plan to either use KAIO or in the near future Poli-seal.would either of those be enough prep?

You can use KAIO before any wax or sealant on the market to strip the paint and prepare it for LSPing (also no wait time for KAIO). PS should be let to cure 12hrs before being topped with anything.

**ScottB** · 06-14-2008, 07:12 AM

the P21S Paint Cleansing Lotion is a great product and is a chemical cleaner like Pinnacles Paintwork Lotion. Best used when polishing is not needed and offers some very light filling.

The new 100% wax looks better and likely you will see similar durability. The original product is high in beeswax and Montan wax and they do nothing for paint care specifically, just make really nice small beads.

**94LT1** · 06-14-2008, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by wytstang

You can use KAIO before any wax or sealant on the market to strip the paint and prepare it for LSPing (also no wait time for KAIO). PS should be let to cure 12hrs before being topped with anything.

i was under the impression that PS was a polish.i didnt no it was a polish and sealant?should i use KAIO as a wipe on wipe off or should i let it sit for a little while then remove after i finish the car??

**scottburton11** · 06-14-2008, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by 94LT1

i was under the impression that PS was a polish.i didnt no it was a polish and sealant?

Assuming "PS" = P21S Paintwork Cleansing Lotion (which has no "S" initial, jeez you guys and your acronyms) it isn't really either. It has light polishing agents, but it's more of a chemical cleaner.

Besides this thread, I can't find another source which suggests that it needs time to cure. P21S and every other source indicates that the surface is prepped for LSP as soon as P21S Paintwork Cleansing Lotion is removed.

**94LT1** · 06-14-2008, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by scottburton11

Assuming "PS" = P21S Paintwork Cleansing Lotion (which has no "S" initial, jeez you guys and your acronyms) it isn't really either. It has light polishing agents, but it's more of a chemical cleaner.

Besides this thread, I can't find another source which suggests that it needs time to cure. P21S and every other source indicates that the surface is prepped for LSP as soon as P21S Paintwork Cleansing Lotion is removed.

No PS stands for optimum poli-seal.i no P21S is a paint cleaner simulars to Klasses All-IN-One(KAIO) and its supposed to prepard the paint for LSP which u said.