Blackfire pro ceramic coating

[pizzano]

Is it recommended to apply multiple coats if wanted, and also is the Carpro ECH20 the best detailing spray for ceramic coated vehicle.

Thanks

 

[Klasse Act]

Ech2o is certainly one you could use for sure, will clean well and adds the correct type of gloss you want with a coated car. Ech2o makes an awesome QD, RW and WW! Best product on the market of it's kind

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[The Guz]

Welcome to the forum.

One coat is more than likely sufficient. You would have no issues applying another coat if you wanted to do so.

From the product page

• Shake this product well before use.

• Wrap a suede towel around a foam applicator block and apply a straight line of product onto the towel.

• Working in a 3’ x 3’section, apply the product to the paint in straight lines with a 50% overlap between strokes. Allow BLACKFIRE Pro Ceramic Coating to flash then gently buff the surface with a soft, dry microfiber towel. Switch to a clean side of the towel frequently to avoid streaking.

• If you would like to apply a second coat, you may do so immediately after the first. Allow this product to cure for 12 hours before exposure to moisture. Avoid washing your vehicle for 72 hours after application.


In before the Bead Maker hype train chimes in haha. Sorry could not resist. It seems to be the flavor of the month product at the moment.

Ech20 works well as a detail. CarPro just released Elixir if you want to try that. It will work with any coating and will leave a little protection behind.

I recently reviewed Elixir with more information on the product.

Review - CarPro Elixir Quick Detailer

 

[Klasse Act]

...all aboard the Beadmaker Train...

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[Dereksdtail]

Elixor has been a really nice product to use, good gloss and easy wipe on and off, I’ve used it to top cquartz uk and classic


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[rlmccarty2000]

ECH2O is not really meant as a QD. It does have a tiny bit of SiO2 in it but it is better suited as a waterless/rinseless wash as it leaves little protection behind. To use as a QD mix 2 ounces ECH2O with 2 ounces Reload type spray, and 32 ounces distilled water. Spray, wipe to spread, and wipe with clean microfiber towel. There may be some hazing requiring a second wipe.

As others have said CarPro EliXir is a good ready to use product for a QD.

 

[Klasse Act]

Yeah, Ech2o is pretty thick and actually overkill as a QD, heck, you could use leftover RW Ech2o as a QD honestly.

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[Eldorado2k]

ECH2O is not really meant as a QD. It does have a tiny bit of SiO2 in it but it is better suited as a waterless/rinseless wash as it leaves little protection behind. To use as a QD mix 2 ounces ECH2O with 2 ounces Reload type spray, and 32 ounces distilled water. Spray, wipe to spread, and wipe with clean microfiber towel. There may be some hazing requiring a second wipe.

As others have said CarPro EliXir is a good ready to use product for a QD.

Yeah, Ech2o is pretty thick and actually overkill as a QD, heck, you could use leftover RW Ech2o as a QD honestly.

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I think you guys have it backwards.. It’s meant to be used as a QD or Waterless Wash and not meant to be used a Rinseless, which is why you don’t see any mention or directions on the label or product description in regards to Rinseless Wash.

I use it @10:1 as a waterless. Works good.

What are the manufacturers directions for rinseless? I don’t see any?

CarPro ECH2O Waterless Wash & Quick Detail Spray

 

[Klasse Act]

I think you guys have it backwards.. It’s meant to be used as a QD or Waterless Wash and not meant to be used a Rinseless, which is why you don’t see any mention or directions on the label or product description in regards to Rinseless Wash.

I use it @10:1 as a waterless. Works good.

What are the manufacturers directions for rinseless? I don’t see any?

CarPro ECH2O Waterless Wash & Quick Detail Spray

Listen, I know it doesn't say anything about RW but IIRC someone contacted them about it and said it was ok to use it that way. That said, this makes a superior RW and I've been using it this way for a long time without issues.

I'm sure when the Fender Rhodes electric keyboard came out it had directions too, then someone like Miles Davis got a hold of it, gave it to Herbie Hancock and Joe Zawinal and used it the way THEY saw fit....wait, how many people did I lose here, LOL

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[Eldorado2k]

So if Ech2o by itself is “overkill” as a QD/WW, and Elixir is basically Ech2o + Reload, does that mean you’d consider Elixir overkill as a QD/WW too? Would you use Elixir as a Rinseless?

 

[The Guz]

Ech20 can certainly be used as a rinseless wash as well as a QD and clay lube besides it's original intended purpose of a waterless wash. It does a very good job as a rinseless wash. It won't leave protection behind like Elixir or Merlin's Magic Elixir but that should not be a deal breaker.

From the CarPro US site

Waterless Wash, High Gloss Detail Spray, Rinse-less Wash, and Clay Lubricant

EcH2o is an entirely new waterless cleanser and gloss-enhancer built on 2 years of research and development by CarPro Chemicals! EcH2o was designed to work in harmony with ceramic coatings and even provides easy cleaning of non-coated or waxed surfaces! Based on a SiO2 hybrid framework and an eco-friendly organic lubricant solution, EcH2o safely cleans and glosses a variety of exterior vehicle surfaces with ease!

Paint and chrome take on an entirely new level of gloss and reflection with this incredible formula and better yet it is easy to use even in extreme heat and direct sun on painted surfaces! Our solution to providing a swirl free and eco friendly waterless experience is a blend of proprietary lifting agents combined with natural organic extracts and lubricants.

The secret to the safe cleansing abilities provided by EcH2o is a combination of its modified high gloss SiO2 component and its innate cleansing abilities, which easily removes dust and light dirt whilst leaving behind a wet, glass-like surface! The finish left by EcH2o mimics the incredible properties that have become synonymous with CarPro SiO2 sealants and CQuartz coatings throughout the years!

In conjunction with a quality microfiber towel, the lubricants aid in safely removing the larger particles from the surface while the remnants of the EcH2o solution become an active cleaner across the surface and begin to loosen any particulates that were left behind. Before the final step (noted in the product directions) the solution may dry to a fine haze indicating it is ready to wipe off any remaining product effortlessly!

Features:

High Gloss SiO2 Hybrid Detail Spray
Incredible waterless wash!
Also excels at rinse-less, & clay lubricant
Safely cleans without swirls when used as directed
Works great even in direct sun
Eco Friendly
Amazing on chrome
Excellent on rubber and plastic trim - Does not stain
Fast & Easy
Versatile, works well on many materials
Works great on both coated and un-coated vehicles

Dilutions:

1 Liter makes up to 4 Gallons of Waterless Spray (1:15)
1 Liter makes up to 6.5 Gallons of Quick Detailer (1:25)
1 Liter makes up to 10.5 Gallons of Clay Lubricant (1:40)
1 Liter makes up to 52 Gallons of Rinse-less Wash (1:200)


Example: At a 1:20 ratio using a 24oz bottle you would need 1.15 oz of Ech2o and the rest water or to be exact 22.85 oz of water.

Directions:

Quick Detailer:

Shake well and dilute 1:15 ~ 1:25
Spray, spread, and wipe off completely

Waterless Wash:

Shake well and dilute 1:10 ~ 1:15
Spray liberally across one entire panel
Lightly wipe with Crazy Pile towel flipping towel to fresh sides often
Spray once more across panel surface
Using a fresh Crazy Pile towel wipe surface removing remainder of dust and dirt
Move to next panel, repeat steps 2-5, and continue around vehicle
Final wipe entire vehicle with a fresh clean towel as needed
Clay Lubricant: 1:15 ~ 1:40

Rinse-less Wash:

Mix 3 gallons of water with 2-3 ounces of Ech2o in a bucket with Grit Guard
Fill another 5 gallon bucket with grit guard and ONLY clean water
Submerge Crazy Pile Microfiber Towel in the solution bucket
Fold Towel in half and drag slowly across surface no pressure across 1/4 of a panel
Flip Towel and do a couple other passes on the next 1/4 of panel
Flip Towel In side out and repeat using all 4 sides to complete one panel
Use a seperate clean soaked towel for final buffing wipe
Use a DRY summit 800 or suitable drying towel to dry the panel completely before moving on to next panel
Wash the dirty towels in your rinse bucket OR use a new towel submerged and repeat steps 3-8
Wash all towels in washing machine with Micro-Restore when complete

 

[Klasse Act]

So if Ech2o by itself is “overkill” as a QD/WW, and Elixir is basically Ech2o + Reload, does that mean you’d consider Elixir overkill as a QD/WW too? Would you use Elixir as a Rinseless?

Listen, I'm not sure if your being a clown or not here. The Elixr is said to be CarPro's "brew" of what people here have been doing with 2 of their existing products and probably some other items we don't know about.

I say its overkill as a QD because it does such a great job as a RW/WW, meaning it's almost too good to be used as a QD. For me and this is only me, if I need a QD the WW ratio does the same thing...agreed?

Elixr is NOT a concentrate like Ech2o is, are you serious with all this right now?

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[rlmccarty2000]

Maybe I should have said that I don’t use ECH2O alone as a QD. I started mixing ECH2O and Quartzmax for a QD before I even used it waterless or rinseless. Adding a few oz of your favorite SiO2 spray just makes it last for a few more days. My wash method is a hybrid version anyway. Suffice it to say ECH2O is good anyway you want to use it.

 

[Klasse Act]

Maybe I should have said that I don’t use ECH2O alone as a QD. I started mixing ECH2O and Quartzmax for a QD before I even used it waterless or rinseless. Adding a few oz of your favorite SiO2 spray just makes it last for a few more days. My wash method is a hybrid version anyway. Suffice it to say ECH2O is good anyway you want to use it.

Ahhh, Quartmax

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[Eldorado2k]

Listen, I'm not sure if your being a clown or not here.
Elixr is NOT a concentrate like Ech2o is, are you serious with all this right now?

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No I’m not being a clown. I was under the assumption that Elixir was a concentrate for waterless wash/QD.

 

[rlmccarty2000]

No I’m not being a clown. I was under the assumption that Elixir was a concentrate for waterless wash/QD.

CarPro could work on their names. I hate Essence and Essence Plus seeing that they are two distinctly different products. EliXir should have been named ECH2O Plus and then it would not have been confusing. I write ECH2O Plus on the bottles after I mix in some SiO2.

 

[pizzano]

LOL, I do not get to see all they beading hype for all the ceramic products, but my vehicle never see's rain, maybe I will just accidentally dump some water on a panel and see.

 

[pizzano]

Thanks for all that info sir!, much appreciated

Ech20 can certainly be used as a rinseless wash as well as a QD and clay lube besides it's original intended purpose of a waterless wash. It does a very good job as a rinseless wash. It won't leave protection behind like Elixir or Merlin's Magic Elixir but that should not be a deal breaker.

From the CarPro US site

Waterless Wash, High Gloss Detail Spray, Rinse-less Wash, and Clay Lubricant

EcH2o is an entirely new waterless cleanser and gloss-enhancer built on 2 years of research and development by CarPro Chemicals! EcH2o was designed to work in harmony with ceramic coatings and even provides easy cleaning of non-coated or waxed surfaces! Based on a SiO2 hybrid framework and an eco-friendly organic lubricant solution, EcH2o safely cleans and glosses a variety of exterior vehicle surfaces with ease!

Paint and chrome take on an entirely new level of gloss and reflection with this incredible formula and better yet it is easy to use even in extreme heat and direct sun on painted surfaces! Our solution to providing a swirl free and eco friendly waterless experience is a blend of proprietary lifting agents combined with natural organic extracts and lubricants.

The secret to the safe cleansing abilities provided by EcH2o is a combination of its modified high gloss SiO2 component and its innate cleansing abilities, which easily removes dust and light dirt whilst leaving behind a wet, glass-like surface! The finish left by EcH2o mimics the incredible properties that have become synonymous with CarPro SiO2 sealants and CQuartz coatings throughout the years!

In conjunction with a quality microfiber towel, the lubricants aid in safely removing the larger particles from the surface while the remnants of the EcH2o solution become an active cleaner across the surface and begin to loosen any particulates that were left behind. Before the final step (noted in the product directions) the solution may dry to a fine haze indicating it is ready to wipe off any remaining product effortlessly!

Features:

High Gloss SiO2 Hybrid Detail Spray
Incredible waterless wash!
Also excels at rinse-less, & clay lubricant
Safely cleans without swirls when used as directed
Works great even in direct sun
Eco Friendly
Amazing on chrome
Excellent on rubber and plastic trim - Does not stain
Fast & Easy
Versatile, works well on many materials
Works great on both coated and un-coated vehicles

Dilutions:

1 Liter makes up to 4 Gallons of Waterless Spray (1:15)
1 Liter makes up to 6.5 Gallons of Quick Detailer (1:25)
1 Liter makes up to 10.5 Gallons of Clay Lubricant (1:40)
1 Liter makes up to 52 Gallons of Rinse-less Wash (1:200)


Example: At a 1:20 ratio using a 24oz bottle you would need 1.15 oz of Ech2o and the rest water or to be exact 22.85 oz of water.

Directions:

Quick Detailer:

Shake well and dilute 1:15 ~ 1:25
Spray, spread, and wipe off completely

Waterless Wash:

Shake well and dilute 1:10 ~ 1:15
Spray liberally across one entire panel
Lightly wipe with Crazy Pile towel flipping towel to fresh sides often
Spray once more across panel surface
Using a fresh Crazy Pile towel wipe surface removing remainder of dust and dirt
Move to next panel, repeat steps 2-5, and continue around vehicle
Final wipe entire vehicle with a fresh clean towel as needed
Clay Lubricant: 1:15 ~ 1:40

Rinse-less Wash:

Mix 3 gallons of water with 2-3 ounces of Ech2o in a bucket with Grit Guard
Fill another 5 gallon bucket with grit guard and ONLY clean water
Submerge Crazy Pile Microfiber Towel in the solution bucket
Fold Towel in half and drag slowly across surface no pressure across 1/4 of a panel
Flip Towel and do a couple other passes on the next 1/4 of panel
Flip Towel In side out and repeat using all 4 sides to complete one panel
Use a seperate clean soaked towel for final buffing wipe
Use a DRY summit 800 or suitable drying towel to dry the panel completely before moving on to next panel
Wash the dirty towels in your rinse bucket OR use a new towel submerged and repeat steps 3-8
Wash all towels in washing machine with Micro-Restore when complete

 

[pizzano]

Also, does it specifically recommend to be Distilled water over tap water, or doesn't matter, for the dilution!!

Thanks

 

[Justin at Final Inspection]

I'm a fan of IGL Enhancer for a coating safe detail spray. Use it on all of my coated vehicles and clients. Works in the sun. Works on coated and non coated vehicles.

IGL Ecoshine Enhancer