Debate Over LSP Removal Settled

[qrwteyrutiyoup]

I've done the submerging test with a variety of waxes, IPA, dawn, and regular water. It had no effect on anything. I've long been propagating your findings and ideas about LSP stripping.

https://m.imgur.com/a/pHavs here's the pics of the experiment for anyone interested.

That was an interesting experiment. Thanks for sharing!

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[KneeDragr]

Soooooooo you think the dye penatrated and went past the sealant to "stain" the clearcoat? W-O-W that is a stretch. Nothing is impossible, but that is certainly imporbably. Usually, the simplist explanation (the one with the least amount of assumptions) is often true. In this case, the wax cured with the sealant.

Go put a nice coat of sealant on some test panel, hopefully not your car, lol. Then write on it with a sharpie and leave it out in the sun a couple days. Tell me how good that sealant protected the paint from being stained. Id bet you'd need a buffer to get it off just like the die in the wax.

[WillSports3]

I used mckee 37 hi intensity apc at about 7 parts water to 1 part apc to strip butters wetwax off my friends car as part of a carwash. Dried with a double wipe down of eraser, no beading at all left so I don't know what to think necessarily.

[tenblade2001]

Butter Wetwax isn't known for durability, so I would rate it like a good LSP that has reached the end of its life and, second, you're still looking at beading as a measurement of presence or absence of LSP...that has already been demonstrated as being unreliable.

[tenblade2001]

Go put a nice coat of sealant on some test panel, hopefully not your car, lol. Then write on it with a sharpie and leave it out in the sun a couple days. Tell me how good that sealant protected the paint from being stained. Id bet you'd need a buffer to get it off just like the die in the wax.

I thinks that's comparing apples to oranges.

[WillSports3]

That's what I mean, I think a lot of people have looked at indicators of beading as presence of lsp so I'm not sure if I did strip.

[kevincwelch]

Sheeting and beading aren't the greatest indicators of having a durable paint protection. Not all paint protection beads or sheets and beading and sheeting don't necessarily indicate healthy protection either. We just use beading and sheeting as proxies for protection because they are the result of applying protection.

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[srpurdy]

If they ARE reading the forums, they may have just discovered (for free) that by mixing BFWD ingredients with Natty's Red, you can create the most durable LSP on the planet.

Only one slight downside is it will make all cars pink!

Very interesting topic though.

[jeepngli]

Interesting discussion on both sides. I have a question about something that's been mentioned a few time:

If sheeting/beading aren't the best indicators of whether the wax is there are not, then what is. As an example, I used Supernatural on my car back in June. When I used a touch test the other day, it felt not smooth. I then proceeded to wash it using a light maintanience shampoo to see if what I was feeling was maybe a light film on top of the wax. The car sheeted just like it does when I first apply that wax during washing. After a careful dry, the car still doesn't feel smooth. So here the sheeting is proving to me that there is wax left yet the paint doesn't feel it. Why? Function of the wax?

Great article because I need to strip some wax off my daily soon and I'm not sure what to do. When in doubt, clay bar?

[Loach]

Slickness is the first thing to go when I wash the car, I don't rely on it to judge durability. Most likely a result of the harder water I'm rinsing the paint with. Water behavior is still the best judge that I go by, but it's not a perfect indicator.