Debate Over LSP Removal Settled

[Setec Astronomy]

Hopefully, this baby is one step closer to being put to bed.

I don't know about that, what with companies coming out with new "stripping" shampoos. However, your inadvertent test is one of the best data points we have on the topic.

BTW, I don't think these companies are being disingenuous, I think they have been fooled in the same way "we" used to be by the disappearance of beading. Even in the case of Meguiar's, which has great technical depth, making the statement about D114 being used to strip (which may be true, I dunno), it could just be a disconnect between the chemists and the hands-on trainers/marketers. What I mean by that is someone in Meg's finds that using a strong dilution of D114 kills beading, draws the conclusion that it strips sealant, disseminates that to the world via forum, and it becomes gospel. If they ran it up the flagpole in the opposite direction, perhaps the Meg's chemists would say "that doesn't sound right..."

We're lucky to have PiPUK to stop by once in a while and inject some direct car product chemistry into our discussions.

[FUNX650]

BTW, I don't think these companies are
being disingenuous, I think they have been
fooled in the same way "we" used to be by
the disappearance of beading.

Even in the case of Meguiar's, which has great technical depth, making the statement about D114 being used to strip (which may be true, I dunno), it could just be a disconnect between the chemists and the hands-on trainers/marketers. What I mean by that is someone in Meg's finds that using a strong dilution of D114 kills beading, draws the conclusion that it strips sealant, disseminates that to the world via forum, and it becomes gospel. If they ran it up the flagpole in the opposite direction, perhaps the Meg's chemists would say "that doesn't sound right..."

Meguiar's own Michael Stoops, Jason Rose,
and Steve Coronado have spent the last three
years expending a lot of time talking about
D114's ability to strip Wax.

IMO:
Meguiar's Chemists have had ample time to
tell the above Meguiar's spokespersons to not
disseminate such a falsehood, if that was
actually the case.



Bob

[Setec Astronomy]

IMO:
Meguiar's Chemists have had ample time to
tell the above Meguiar's spokespersons to not
disseminate such a falsehood, if that was
actually the case.

Yeah, if they actually care and if they read the forums, which they probably don't. Are they even in Irvine? Or at the plant in TN?

To me it seems unlikely that when we say that a sealant needs to be abrasively stripped, or that strong solvents are required, that a surfactant-based diluted product would be able to do so.

[993Cab]

I've used griots paint prep to strip away the klasse products. It was very simple. If it could strip those away, I'd assume it could strip about any lsp.

[KneeDragr]

I think more likely the paint was stained by the dye in the wax, and the LSP was likely removed far quicker than the stain was.

[FUNX650]

To me it seems unlikely that when we say that a sealant needs to be abrasively stripped, or that strong solvents are required, that a surfactant-based diluted product would be able to do so.

Not talking about D114 stripping Sealants.


Bob

[Setec Astronomy]

I think more likely the paint was stained by the dye in the wax, and the LSP was likely removed far quicker than the stain was.

If I understood, the OP used BF Wet Diamond sealant before the Natty's. So in your scenario the Natty's dye would have to go through the sealant to get to the paint, as opposed to the OP's supposition that the dye stained the BF. I got no dog in the hunt, just clarifying.

[tenblade2001]

I think more likely the paint was stained by the dye in the wax, and the LSP was likely removed far quicker than the stain was.

Soooooooo you think the dye penatrated and went past the sealant to "stain" the clearcoat? W-O-W that is a stretch. Nothing is impossible, but that is certainly imporbably. Usually, the simplist explanation (the one with the least amount of assumptions) is often true. In this case, the wax cured with the sealant.

[tenblade2001]

How do you know the LSP was removed? Beading?

[tenblade2001]

I don't know about that, .

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