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With the right pads and product the PC will be both safe and effective for swirl removal.
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A little feedback...
Try not to get overwhelmed with all the products and look at just the basics..
Like you I did my cars manually and then discovered how much better they turned out using a dual action polisher like the Porter Cable 7424 and appropriate pads and products.
Everyone starts off as a beginner but with some reading, questions, and trial, error, and practice you'll be amazed how much you'll be able to do.
This link contains articles written by Mike Phillips and has allot of great reading within.
Articles by Mike Phillips
Basic steps in order are:
- Wash
- Clay
- Paint Correction & Polish
- Seal
- Wax
Make detailing enjoyable and practice. Take your time and do not become overwhelmed. Just because there are a thousand product doesn't mean you have to use them all.
Pick one product from each category from the steps above. You already have some great waxes so you're that far ahead of the game..
Autogeek has a kit section that contains everything you need to get started.
Kit Page
Car Care Kits, Car Care Cleaning Kits, Complete Detailing Kits
Decent kit
Pinnacle Twins & Meguiar's G110v2 Dual Action Polisher Kit FREE BONUS
Much better kit
Menzerna Porter Cable XP Maximum Shine Kit FREE BONUS
Flex Kit
If I were in the market for a kit this would be the one I'd choose.
Pinnacle Flex XC3401 Polishing & Swirl Remover kit, Pinnacle polishes, swirl removers, finishing polish, flex buffer
One Step Product
Menzerna Sealing Wax
Menzerna Sealing Wax APO 60, Menzerna APO 60, Menzerna wax
Meguiar's D151
Meguiars Paint Reconditioning Cream D151
Sealants
Menzerna Power Lock Paint Sealant
Menzerna Power Lock Polymer Paint Sealant, Menzerna auto sealant, car sealant, paint sealant protectant
Other quality sealants
- Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant
- Klasse High Gloss Sealant Glaze
- DP Poli-Coat Paint Sealant
Wax
Collinite 845
Collinite Liquid Insulator Wax #845, liquid wax, heat-resistant wax, car wax
Pinnacle Signature Series ll
Pinnacle Signature Series II Carnauba Paste Wax will give you a deep, wet finish will exceed your expectations. car wax, carnauba paste wax, pinnacle
Detailer’s Pro Series Max Wax
DP Max Wax- Made with pure carnauba wax and advanced polymers.
BobbyG - 2004 Millennium Yellow Z06 Corvette
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Re: to upgrade or not ??
If you want to be able to defect removal I would whole heartedly recommend getting a better D/A machine.
Like you were saying for polishing what you have may work, but there are some things that will dictate your decision.
What size and type of backing plate does your current D/A have? This will have a bearing on what pads you can use and if the backing plate cannot be changed it may not let you use pads small enough to keep the machine rotating.
If you cannot alter the speed of your current machine it will not allow you to always dial in the right combination of product being used vs. the surface you are working on.
In my opinion the cost of a new machine, considering you will most likely need to purchase pads either way, is low considering the advantages gained. You will then be able to tackle anything and have the right power, speed adjustment, pads and backing plate to get it done a lot more efficiently.
If you are trying to do even modest defect removal an inferior machine and pad selection will yield inferior results and take forever to accomplish, if even possible.
Look at the Griots 6" D/A and purchase the Lake Country 5" backing plate with your choice of Lake Country 5.5" flat or CCS pads. This machine has a lifetime warranty, lots of power and other than the Flex 3401 is my favorite D/A and I have been able to try most that are currently available.
Griot's Garage 6 inch Random Orbital Polisher, Dual action buffer, DA polisher
Lake Country 5 1/2 x 7/8 inch Beveled Edge Foam Pads, buffing pads, Lake Country curved edge pads, polishing pads
Porter Cable 7424 Backing Plates- Dual Action Hook & Loop backing plate for your porter cable 7424, The best backing plates for the Porter Cable 7424
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Just wanted to thank those who replied to my question.I really appreciate everyones input.Honestly,I do not know anyone personally who is into this as I am.It is becoming a great hobby also.Over the past few months I have gotten a lot of valuable info on this blog. Thanks again to all Tom
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Originally Posted by Audi X2
Look at the Griots 6" D/A and purchase the Lake Country 5" backing plate with your choice of Lake Country 5.5" flat or CCS pads. This machine has a lifetime warranty, lots of power and other than the Flex 3401 is my favorite D/A and I have been able to try most that are currently available.
Why are you choosing to use the Lake Country 5" backing plate vs the 6 inch that comes with the Griots 6" DA? Is the 6" with 6 1/2" pad just too big for your tastes or is it something else?
Are the backing plates easy to change out? Like use the 5" most of the time with Griots DA and switch out to a 3" for small areas?
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Originally Posted by Audi X2
If you want to be able to defect removal I would whole heartedly recommend getting a better D/A machine.
Like you were saying for polishing what you have may work, but there are some things that will dictate your decision.
What size and type of backing plate does your current D/A have? This will have a bearing on what pads you can use and if the backing plate cannot be changed it may not let you use pads small enough to keep the machine rotating.
If you cannot alter the speed of your current machine it will not allow you to always dial in the right combination of product being used vs. the surface you are working on.
In my opinion the cost of a new machine, considering you will most likely need to purchase pads either way, is low considering the advantages gained. You will then be able to tackle anything and have the right power, speed adjustment, pads and backing plate to get it done a lot more efficiently.
If you are trying to do even modest defect removal an inferior machine and pad selection will yield inferior results and take forever to accomplish, if even possible.
Look at the Griots 6" D/A and purchase the Lake Country 5" backing plate with your choice of Lake Country 5.5" flat or CCS pads. This machine has a lifetime warranty, lots of power and other than the Flex 3401 is my favorite D/A and I have been able to try most that are currently available.
Griot's Garage 6 inch Random Orbital Polisher, Dual action buffer, DA polisher
Lake Country 5 1/2 x 7/8 inch Beveled Edge Foam Pads, buffing pads, Lake Country curved edge pads, polishing pads
Porter Cable 7424 Backing Plates- Dual Action Hook & Loop backing plate for your porter cable 7424, The best backing plates for the Porter Cable 7424
I agree 100% and couldnt say it as well! I would recommend the 5" new Megs DA MF System. I havent tried mine yet but the reviewss are stunningly good and the pads are machine washable.
My name is Jim and I am an Old Auburn Tiger.
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Re: to upgrade or not ??
Originally Posted by cbsb
Why are you choosing to use the Lake Country 5" backing plate vs the 6 inch that comes with the Griots 6" DA? Is the 6" with 6 1/2" pad just too big for your tastes or is it something else?
Are the backing plates easy to change out? Like use the 5" most of the time with Griots DA and switch out to a 3" for small areas?
The Griots will work fine with a 6" BP but a 5" = as Tim Allen says "More Power!"
My name is Jim and I am an Old Auburn Tiger.
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Re: to upgrade or not ??
Originally Posted by cbsb
Why are you choosing to use the Lake Country 5" backing plate vs the 6 inch that comes with the Griots 6" DA? Is the 6" with 6 1/2" pad just too big for your tastes or is it something else?
Are the backing plates easy to change out? Like use the 5" most of the time with Griots DA and switch out to a 3" for small areas?
The primary and most important reason to use the 5" backing plate is simply that on a dual action polisher, other than the Flex 3401, it is necessary to keep the machine rotating for defect removal. Larger pads under load have more mass and will not rotate properly.
Yes, the backing plates are very easy to change and all of the machines come with a tool to do so. It would not be a problem at all to switch between two different backing plate sizes if so desired. Peronally I have two machines and keep a different size backing plate on each one.
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If your going to purchase a DA, the Griots 6" is the way to go. In your case, I don't believe switching out the backing plate would be necessary. Purchase 1 extra pad each and a quart of Meguiars 105 & 205 and have fun....your going to love it I promise
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