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Re: What is this and can it be removed with a DA?
wow if you can understand anything I said hats off to you. sorry its about time to hit the sack, been up sense 5 this morning after going to bed at 2 in the morning.
Working on a new sig..... still working....... if only it was as easy as buffing out swirls is...... ![dblthumb2](https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/images/smilies/dblthumb2.gif) Brad is my name.
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Re: What is this and can it be removed with a DA?
![Quote](https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/images/autogeek/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy
Wow, that's a harsh assessment! I'd say that what you are seeing are the remnants of, variously, bird poop-, water spot-, tree sap-, and whatever else-etching that just happens to most cars that aren't cared for in a Geek-ian fashion their whole lives (and maybe some that are).
The best you can do is give the car a good polishing. Some will come out. Some will be minimized. Some will be too deep and will be there. Just the way it is. You can't expect a decade-old vehicle that hasn't been meticulously cared for to be perfect.
Man, some of you guys are way over-reacting...localized etches like that can stay the same for many years...that's nonsense IMO to suggest a repaint.
It may have been initiated by bird poop-, water spot-, tree sap-, or whatever else-etching you want to call it, but it's now jeopardized the clear coat and become a failure.
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![Quote](https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/images/autogeek/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Rob T
I'm glad that you spoke up as I was really starting to second guess myself saying that one spot looked like a bird bomb when I saw everyone else start talking about clear coat failure (those posts were made while I was composing my message).
Shoot, when I traded in my 16-yo car it was covered in various spots like that--and I thought I took good care of it! That was before I was Geek-ified, I hope to do better now, but stuff happens.
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Re: What is this and can it be removed with a DA?
A couple pics of clear coat failure:
![](http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2600_8_30_06OG003.JPG)
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![Quote](https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/images/autogeek/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Rsurfer
Have you seen the paint in person? How can you be sure? I said it looked like cc failure, but your saying that's nonsense.
I don't think you've seen the paint in person either, but you're righter than I am? Maybe you are, but I've had cars with both bird etchings and CC failure, and that looks like etching to me. To split hairs, yes, the etch is a localized type of CC failure, but IME those spots don't degrade the way large-scale CC failure does. I've polished surfaces with those kinds of etching with a burgundy pad and SSR3 and the paint didn't fall off the car, where as if you buff a panel that has CC failure it only looks worse, generally speaking.
At any rate, the OP is the one that is going to have to make the judgement.
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![Quote](https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/images/autogeek/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Joe in PA
Well a repaint is definitely out of the question but I can certainly live with the idea of doing the best I can with the UC and maybe M205 before applying some sealant. It is just an old beater intended for driving in the winter instead of the nice Jeeps, so I'll just do the best I can and live with the results.
Thanks!
That's also the perfect type of vehicle to get good practice on.
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![Quote](https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/images/autogeek/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Rob T
That's also the perfect type of vehicle to get good practice on.
Hope he lets us know how it came out.
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![Quote](https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/images/autogeek/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by DARK HORSE
It may have been initiated by bird poop-, water spot-, tree sap-, or whatever else-etching you want to call it, but it's now jeopardized the clear coat and become a failure. ![Wink](https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/images/smilies/wink.png)
As Setec indicated, that is technically correct, but it is not a situation where the entire vehicle's paint is in jeopardy of complete CC failure.
If the car had just a single bird bomb that caused serious etching, would you refer to it as CC failure?
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![Quote](https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/images/autogeek/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Rob T
As Setec indicated, that is technically correct, but it is not a situation where the entire vehicle's paint is in jeopardy of complete CC failure.
If the car had just a single bird bomb that caused serious etching, would you refer to it as CC failure?
I know it's technically correct, that's why I stated what I did in my original post. You say "it is not a situation where the entire vehicle's paint is in jeopardy of complete CC failure". But the OP did state that "The entire hood is also pock marked with small etchings in the clear coat, similar to what can be seen in the 3rd pic". This would lead me to believe that it is far more wide spread than a single bird bomb. He also stated that he had already gone over the hood twice with UC previous to the second picture. And yes I would refer to one single bird bomb that caused serious enough etching to have compromised the clear coat as cc failure in that spot...(localized cc failure or non-localized cc failure)...IMO doesn't matter it's still some type of failure or compromise to the cc. I did not and would not suggest that anyone re-paint (thats for the owner to decide) I said that it looks like the only way to repair it is to re-paint.
Note: I do agree that those spots don't degrade the way large-scale CC failure does and can generally be polished without doing more harm, but also generally will not make them any better...
Last edited by DARK HORSE; 10-06-2010 at 10:30 PM.
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Re: What is this and can it be removed with a DA?
That paint is toast. Time for a re-spray!
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