The Best 2-Step Menzerna Application

**WRAPT C5Z06** · 02-13-2010, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by Shade Tree

+1

Usually a single stage polishing with the PF will be enough for just about any car. The darker colored cars are where the 85RD will almost always be warranted to get the "POP" out of the color that much more.

Shade, what's a good all around pad to use with power finish on soft paint? Same question, but on hard paint as well?

**MobolWerks** · 02-13-2010, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by Shade Tree

+1

Usually a single stage polishing with the PF will be enough for just about any car. The darker colored cars are where the 85RD will almost always be warranted to get the "POP" out of the color that much more.

So basically you would not use both pads, you would choose one or the other based on condition??? I think thats what you're getting at..

**Shade Tree** · 02-13-2010, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by 07 z-oh-6

Shade, what's a good all around pad to use with power finish on soft paint? Same question, but on hard paint as well?

White pad is what I prefer to use on the softer paints. My bimmer is Jet Black & ridiculously soft. White pad polishes leaving no marring behind. If using 85RD then blue or black pads are my preference.

lol ....... if? You know I'm going to use the 85. LOL

**Shade Tree** · 02-13-2010, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by MobolWerks

So basically you would not use both pads, you would choose one or the other based on condition??? I think thats what you're getting at..

Yes, typically green is going to be the best choice IMHO.

If the paint correction is going to be intense and you're limited with the paint thickness being minimal then a yellow pad will give just a little more "bite" when used with the PF. Definitely follow up with the 85RD, but with a softer pad like the blue, black or red.

**WRAPT C5Z06** · 02-13-2010, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by Shade Tree

If using 85RD then blue or black pads are my preference.

lol ....... if? You know I'm going to use the 85. LOL

**MobolWerks** · 02-13-2010, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by Shade Tree

White pad is what I prefer to use on the softer paints. My bimmer is Jet Black & ridiculously soft. White pad polishes leaving no marring behind. If using 85RD then blue or black pads are my preference.

lol ....... if? You know I'm going to use the 85. LOL

So what is a basic go to list of soft paints vs. hard paints... I know Mercedes Ceramic Clear Coat would be on the hard side, but I'm unclear on "softness"..

I have heard that Toyota, Lexus, Range Rovers, Porsche, and Bentley are soft...

..but honestly I still don't get what that means (soft paint that is..)

**Shade Tree** · 02-13-2010, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by MobolWerks

So what is a basic go to list of soft paints vs. hard paints... I know Mercedes Ceramic Clear Coat would be on the hard side, but I'm unclear on "softness"..

I have heard that Toyota, Lexus, Range Rovers, Porsche, and Bentley are soft...

..but honestly I still don't get what that means (soft paint that is..)

Soft paint mainly includes water based manufacturer paints.

Metallic paint will typically be a harder base than say a solid color. 90% + of the European vehicles are going to have the softer paints because they use a water based paint system rather the more common oil based paint system.

Domestic paint will be more durable and more forgiving when polishing.

Domestic & Import paints are going to be the most durable.

European paints softer.

Metallic are usually harder/more durable, but still consider the origin of the car when polishing.

Water based paints are becoming more widely accepted in keeping with the environment so eventually you will see all manufacturers going to this system (if they haven't already!). Older European, Domestic and Import paints are oil based and can handle a deep polishing without reservation of deterioration.

**Shade Tree** · 02-13-2010, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by 07 z-oh-6

Shade, what's a good all around pad to use with power finish on soft paint? Same question, but on hard paint as well?

Sorry missed the 2nd part of that ...........

Green pad on softer paints (European mainly & solid colors)
White pad on harder paints (Import & Domestic & metallic)

**WRAPT C5Z06** · 02-13-2010, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Shade Tree

Sorry missed the 2nd part of that ...........

White pad on softer paints (European mainly & solid colors)
Green pad on harder paints (Import & Domestic & metallic)

I'm not trying to step on your toes...

Wouldn't you want to use the white pad(more aggressive) on harder paints, and the green pad on soft paint because of less marring?

**Shade Tree** · 02-13-2010, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by 07 z-oh-6

I'm not trying to step on your toes...

Wouldn't you want to use the white pad(more aggressive) on harder paints, and the green pad on soft paint because of less marring?

YES!

Sorry, I had them turned around ......... writing on 2 forums isn't such a good thing in the AM.

Fixing my posts ..... FIXED.