Gimmie your two cents.

[Silly Rabbit]

Esoteric gets a pass from me for Budget Plan 1. One of the nicest persons I’ve never met. I trust his opinions about detailing.

If he was willing to leave a long standing job to go work for them and been there 1-2 years I gotta assume there good guys… I like there content as much as anyone else out there.


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That right there. Budget is the most honest, standup guy you could ask to interact with. Read a ton of his words all over detail forums, his posts on the forums, chatted with him and talked to him on the phone. He is the reason I headed to visit Esoteric when I was down in Ohio, woulda never thought of it if not for talked to him. Then when I got there and met Todd I found such a similar personality. I think the shop/business is so successfull because there are alot of like minded personalities working there. Wheather a Lambo owner or Chevy Cruz or Civic owner walks in, everyone is treated equally with respect and like a friend.

[SNP209]

Says the guy who shops at Obsessed….

Same has been said but ALOT more about Matt@Obsessed.

Matt seems like he could be Todd’s spoiled illegitimate son…

I still give him the benefit of the doubt. I didn’t at all like what he said and did with the Apex gen 1.

But I don’t black ball him tho….

I was not a fan of Todd to begin with but heard a lot of good things about Eaoteric

Then as mentioned BudgetPlan1 went to work there and he is a generous, gracious, helpful guy. One of the hood ones not here to often anymore.

I couldn’t see him no matter the situation working anyone douchey.


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Just don't ask the guy about utilizing the multiple mitt method during the wash process haha.

I commented on one of esoteric's yt videos that there is less of a chance of introducing marring through using multiple wash media rather than just a single mitt.

He then stated he doesn't base his techniques on theory but he goes off years of practice. After that I pointed out that the grit guard was invented solely because people were marring their paint with the 2BM and that even with the grit guard the wash media could still become contaminated when dunking your mitt into the rinse bucket and back into your clean bucket.

Then he obviously became irked and said that using multiple wash mitts is a crutch and it's simply not a process that 99.9% of car washers (his words not mine) are remotely interested in doing. I replied that if 99.9% of car washers are not remotely interested in using multiple mitts, then the 0.1% that do would be considered esoteric and the 99.9% that don't would be considered exoteric. (implying that he just contradicted himself and his brand/company)

It's cool that he is super approachable in person, but then why have a different persona when you're behind a keyboard? At least with Matt from Obsessed Garage you know that his personality would be the same whether in person or behind a computer.

If there was one person that stands out above the rest when it comes to personalities in the detailing industry it would be Mike Phillips and it's not even close in my eyes. He talks the talk and walks the walk.

[DFB]

It's cool that he is super approachable in person, but then why have a different persona when you're behind a keyboard? At least with Matt from Obsessed Garage you know that his personality would be the same whether in person or behind a computer.

If there was one person that stands out above the rest when it comes to personalities in the detailing industry it would be Mike Phillips and it's not even close in my eyes. He talks the talk and walks the walk.

That was my thinking too. I know Matt rubs people the wrong way, even I've been offended by a few key points of view, but at least you know what you are getting. Is that good or bad, I'm not sure.

My comments earlier were based on actions that apparently seem out of character for TCR going by what others have been saying. One would hope that is the case.

[Sleper]

If its only dusty i would use a California duster to remove the dust and then use a microsoft towel with come detailing spary to remove any remaining dust or bug spatter. good luck my 0.02$

[Bill D]

As most of you know, I use multiple mitts exclusively when I need a contact wash. It’s not just theory and it’s not a “crutch’. It helps *me* prevent marring It works for me. The proof is in the pudding


Don’t let anyone else try to poo-poo something that works for you. When you find something that works for you, keep at it.

[chilly]

Just don't ask the guy about utilizing the multiple mitt method during the wash process haha.

I commented on one of esoteric's yt videos that there is less of a chance of introducing marring through using multiple wash media rather than just a single mitt.

He then stated he doesn't base his techniques on theory but he goes off years of practice. After that I pointed out that the grit guard was invented solely because people were marring their paint with the 2BM and that even with the grit guard the wash media could still become contaminated when dunking your mitt into the rinse bucket and back into your clean bucket.

Then he obviously became irked and said that using multiple wash mitts is a crutch and it's simply not a process that 99.9% of car washers (his words not mine) are remotely interested in doing. I replied that if 99.9% of car washers are not remotely interested in using multiple mitts, then the 0.1% that do would be considered esoteric and the 99.9% that don't would be considered exoteric. (implying that he just contradicted himself and his brand/company)

It's cool that he is super approachable in person, but then why have a different persona when you're behind a keyboard? At least with Matt from Obsessed Garage you know that his personality would be the same whether in person or behind a computer.

If there was one person that stands out above the rest when it comes to personalities in the detailing industry it would be Mike Phillips and it's not even close in my eyes. He talks the talk and walks the walk.

I remember when you posted this before and I thought long and hard about it

Like others on here I use however many mitts or plush towels it takes to clean a vehicle without having to reintroduce the wash media back into the soap or RW bucket

That equals ZERO percent chance of adding extra grit to the washing equation

Calling it a CRUTCH just flys in the face of logic

I have to wonder if a time equals profit based business like Esoteric just doesn't want to take the extra few seconds to toss a mitt and grab a clean one (if it even does take longer) or if possibly they don't want to have to purchase, launder, dry, store, etc several hundred mitts to deal with say a dozen cars a day

I was also thinking if you are going to be correcting paint anyway maybe you aren't worried about the few new swirls a single mitt might add

But what about maintenance washes

I won't ever understand his logic and simply saying 99.9% of car people wouldn't want to do it is using a crutch in a logic argument

[Eldorado2k]

I have to wonder if a time equals profit based business like Esoteric just doesn't want to take the extra few seconds to toss a mitt and grab a clean one (if it even does take longer) or if possibly they don't want to have to purchase, launder, dry, store, etc several hundred mitts to deal with say a dozen cars a day

What if one of his employees mentioned the idea to him, but instead of giving the new guy some credit for teaching an old dog a new trick he decided to be a prick and force the new guy to do it the hard way, the real way, the way he always had to do it therefore nobody, especially not some young buck is going to have things any easier… You get 1 mitt, use it. It’s called work!
Because I’m the boss and I said so.

I dunno, kinda seems plausible. Lol.
I mean I wouldn’t do that, but there’s people who are like that.

[chilly]

What if one of his employees mentioned the idea to him, but instead of giving the new guy some credit for teaching an old dog a new trick he decided to be a prick and force the new guy to do it the hard way, the real way, the way he always had to do it therefore nobody, especially not some young buck is going to have things any easier… You get 1 mitt, use it. It’s called work! Because I’m the boss and I said so.

I dunno, kinda seems plausible. Lol.
I mean I wouldn’t do that, but there’s people who are like that.

In an industry that is DRIVEN by innovation, where "new and improved", whether true or not, equals sales and revenue I don't get the reluctance to adopt a better way

I am in no way comparing myself or my chops to Todd, I just KNOW from personal experience that my paint will be in better shape in the long run by using a multi mitt/multi towel method and anyone who tells me I am wrong better look for someone else to spend money at their business

I certainly don't want to offend anyone on the forum but that's my 2 cents worth

[Eldorado2k]

In an industry that is DRIVEN by innovation, where "new and improved", whether true or not, equals sales and revenue I don't get the reluctance to adopt a better way

I am in no way comparing myself or my chops to Todd, I just KNOW from personal experience that my paint will be in better shape in the long run by using a multi mitt/multi towel method and anyone who tells me I am wrong better look for someone else to spend money at their business

I certainly don't want to offend anyone on the forum but that's my 2 cents worth

I agree with you. At the same time I’m of the belief and fully understand that old dogs can be hard to change once they’re stuck in their ways.

I’ll tell you a story I don’t think I’ve ever told on this forum.
Do you know who Derek Bemiss is? He’s Barry Meguiars personal detailer. I worked for him for a brief time several years ago and right from the start I knew from him making it clear enough that he wanted things done in a systematic order and I knew right away without him having to tell me that I better respect that and I did.

That meant that my way of washing cars suddenly didn’t matter while I was “working” because I had the follow his way of doing things, his “system” was the only way even down to how we vacuumed a vehicle, which was done with only a crevice tool and a detail brush for the entire interior. [How that part of it didn’t drive me a little nuts I dunno, because I’m a big of a vacumm freak] lol.

I’ll tell you this though, just before our short time together came to an end I had been banking several ideas that I was going to respectfully bring to the table and at least mention to him to see if he’d be interested in trying.

-1 of them was using multiple mitts. [we had 2 mitts per person and that was the 1st time I had ever used a grit guard as intended. It does work]
-Another was the introduction of several new vacuum attachments.
-Another one [and this one was almost shocking] was the fact that he wasn’t familiar with D114 Rinseless Wash Concentrate yet. Like he had literally never used it before even though all products were sponsored by Meguiars for unlimited use. Lol.

I was like dude you have to try this stuff. It’s like APC Lite. I actually did bring a gallon I mixed up to work 1 day for us to test out.
He did use D115 which is the rinseless wash & wax concentrate. He liked to use that as the finishing touch on glass. Lots of interesting quirks that I’ll never forget.

There were so many interesting ideas I had in mind but out of respect and me being new I didn’t want to rock the boat and changed my ways for the betterment of all and stuck to the system. It was certainly different though. Lol.

Btw the reason it didn’t last was because it was simply too far away and I’m like the worst when it comes to being stuck in traffic for long drives everyday like that. I’ve never done it.

[chilly]

I agree with you. At the same time I’m of the belief and fully understand that old dogs can be hard to change once they’re stuck in their ways.

I’ll tell you a story I don’t think I’ve ever told on this forum.
Do you know who Derek Bemiss is? He’s Barry Meguiars personal detailer. I worked for him for a brief time several years ago and right from the start I knew from him making it clear enough that he wanted things done in a systematic order and I knew right away without him having to tell me that I better respect that and I did.

That meant that my way of washing cars suddenly didn’t matter while I was “working” because I had the follow his way of doing things, his “system” was the only way even down to how we vacuumed a vehicle, which was done with only a crevice tool and a detail brush for the entire interior. [How that part of it didn’t drive me a little nuts I dunno, because I’m a big of a vacumm freak] lol.

I’ll tell you this though, just before our short time together came to an end I had been banking several ideas that I was going to respectfully bring to the table and at least mention to him to see if he’d be interested in trying.

-1 of them was using multiple mitts. [we had 2 mitts per person and that was the 1st time I had ever used a grit guard as intended. It does work]
-Another was the introduction of several new vacuum attachments.
-Another one [and this one was almost shocking] was the fact that he wasn’t familiar with D114 Rinseless Wash Concentrate yet. Like he had literally never used it before even though all products were sponsored by Meguiars for unlimited use. Lol.

I was like dude you have to try this stuff. It’s like APC Lite. I actually did bring a gallon I mixed up to work 1 day for us to test out.
He did use D115 which is the rinseless wash & wax concentrate. He liked to use that as the finishing touch on glass. Lots of interesting quirks that I’ll never forget.

There were so many interesting ideas I had in mind but out of respect and me being new I didn’t want to rock the boat and changed my ways for the betterment of all and stuck to the system. It was certainly different though. Lol.

Btw the reason it didn’t last was because it was simply too far away and I’m like the worst when it comes to being stuck in traffic for long drives everyday like that. I’ve never done it.

I know exactly who Derek Bemiss is, I have seen him several times on AMMO NYC videos when Larry goes to the left coast and kicks it with Kevin Brown, Derek, and some of the other top tier detailers out there

One of the things I had noticed when they were depending on Derek's mobile detailing rig was just how sparse his setup is

He gets more good work done with less stuff and to me that is the hallmark of someone who has mastered a few basic products and just knows his stuff

I agree with the old dog, new tricks analogy, and not wasting time falling for fads and chasing unicorn products generally leaves more time to master a process

I guess it comes down to comfort levels and living up to the expectations of the person writing the pay check

It is awesome you had that gig and I am jealous, I can't imagine how much better I would be after hanging out with dudes like that

Commuting sucks