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Re: Can I tackle these thin sections on this Pontiac G8 GXP with the FLEX Pixie?
The PXE 80 is a very nice polisher. The rotary adapter and the 12mm adapter are the only two you will be using. The tool doesn't maintain pad rotation that well with the 3mm adapter.
You could actually get most of those areas with a larger tool as well and finesse the edges with a smaller tool.
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Re: Can I tackle these thin sections on this Pontiac G8 GXP with the FLEX Pixie?
Originally Posted by The Guz
The PXE 80 is a very nice polisher.
I can't wait to find out for myself! I'm very exited to try it out!
Originally Posted by The Guz
The rotary adapter and the 12mm adapter are the only two you will be using. The tool doesn't maintain pad rotation that well with the 3mm adapter.
Roger that.
Originally Posted by The Guz
You could actually get most of those areas with a larger tool as well and finesse the edges with a smaller tool.
Also roger that. "Finesse", I like the way you worded that.
I don't know why it didn't come to mind last night but the PXE 80 acutally comes with;
FLEX PXE 80 12-EC KIT
FLEX PXE 80 12-EC KIT includes:
PXE 80 12-EC
1 each of the adapters (1 rotary, 1 orbital 3mm and 1 orbital 12mm)
1 each of the backing plates (1- 1" sticky, 1- 1" Velcro and 1- 3" Velcro)
Qty of 2 - 2.5 Amp batteries
1 charger
1 Bag
So all I need to do is Buy some 1" light compounding and polishing pads
I am thinking I'll tackle those small areas that need finessing first, then hit the larger areas.
After this I will remove all tape, panel wipe, the whole car then move on to applying the coating.
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Re: Can I tackle these thin sections on this Pontiac G8 GXP with the FLEX Pixie?
Originally Posted by Jacob Harrod AUTOCLEAN
I am getting ready to do a two step polish and ceramic coating on this white Pontiac G8 GXP.
My plan is to of course do a test spot with 3D One and a polishing pad first, but I personally think it will take a light compounding pad and 3D One.
I am going to purchase a FLEX Pixie for the thinner panels. I currently have 6 Lake Country Light Cutting Pads, and 6 Lake Country Polishing Pads. Should I buy more for this project?
Those swirls look pretty bad. Won't be a problem if the paint isn't super hard. My guess is you're going to want an aggressive foam cutting pad, maybe a microfiber pad and an aggressive compound. While the PiXiE is very good at maintaining pad rotation with the 12mm drive unit on speed 4 but to make up for a micro-tool and bad condition paint my guess is you're going to want to go aggressive for the cutting step.
These are great mf pads for PiXiE
RUPES 3.5 Inch Coarse Wool Pad
RUPES 3.5 Inch Medium Wool Pad
The new SONAX Ultimate Cut 6+ is really aggressive and also finishes out really nice.
Sonax Ultimate Cut 6+
But use what you have and see how it works.
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Re: Can I tackle these thin sections on this Pontiac G8 GXP with the FLEX Pixie?
Originally Posted by Mike Phillips
Those swirls look pretty bad.
Yes sir they do. As I'm looking through The Complete Guide To A Show Car Shine The paint appears to be in Condition #5
Severely Neglected
Mike Phillips' The Complete Guide to a Show Car Shine Paperback Book
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My guess is you're going to want an aggressive foam cutting pad, maybe a microfiber pad and an aggressive compound.
Page 91 - Recommends an aggressive foam or fiber cutting pad for paint in this condition. Just as you have suggested.
Originally Posted by Mike Phillips
Won't be a problem if the paint isn't super hard. While the PiXiE is very good at maintaining pad rotation with the 12mm drive unit on speed 4 but to make up for a micro-tool and bad condition paint my guess is you're going to want to go aggressive for the cutting step.
These are great mf pads for PiXiE
RUPES 3.5 Inch Coarse Wool Pad
RUPES 3.5 Inch Medium Wool Pad
The new SONAX Ultimate Cut 6+ is really aggressive and also finishes out really nice.
Sonax Ultimate Cut 6+
I added 6 of the RUPES 3.5 Inch Medium Wool Pads, A bottle of the Sonax Ultimate Cut 6+, and 12 of the Lake Country 5.5 Inch HDO Blue Foam Heavy Cutting Pads to my cart.
https://www.autogeek.net/lc-5inch-hdo-6pack.html
Originally Posted by Mike Phillips
But use what you have and see how it works.
The most improtant tool I have is my brain. So I hope it works good for me when it comes time to do this man's car.
I am now planning on doing a test spot with the 3D One and the Lake Country CCS Orange Light Cutting Pad, as I can now see that the paint is in bad enough condition that a test spot with the polishing pad and 3D One wouldn't likely correct the paint to a satisfactory level. Then a test spot if necessary with the Sonax Ultimate Cut 6+ and the Lake Country 5.5 inch Blue Foam Heavy Cutting Pad.
On the page for the Sonax 6+ it says,
It is best to use Sonax Ultimate Cut 6+ with a lambswool pad on a rotary polisher or a hybrid wool pad on an orbital polisher to achieve optimal abrasion potential.
Will I still be ok to use the Blue HDO Foam Pads with this compound as well?
I'm assuming that if I need the Blue HDO Pads and the Sonax Ultimate Cut 6+ for the larger sections, then it's highly probable that I'll need to use the RUPES Medium Wool Pad and the Sonax Ultimate Cut 6+, and the PXE 80 on the thinner panels.
Otherwise if I had to I could do some test spots on the thinner panels with the PXE 80.
What has been your experience with the Pinnacle Advanced Finishing Polish and the Lake Country Orange Light Cutting Pads? Do you get better results with the light cutting pad, a polishing pad, or does it just depend on the paint?
My line of thinking is that after I've compounded I can do a test spot with the light cutting pad, and then a test spot with the polishing pad and see what works better.
In the description of the Pinnacle Advanced Finishing Polish it says,
For the best results, apply Pinnacle Advanced Finishing Polish with a light cutting pad on your dual action polisher at a speed of no greater than 5.
Thank you for any help you can provide, as I know there is a lot of info and questions here.
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Re: Can I tackle these thin sections on this Pontiac G8 GXP with the FLEX Pixie?
Originally Posted by Mike Phillips
For what it's worth, if I was buffing that car out, I would do the entire thing with the BEAST or the Supa BEAST.
It's worth a lot coming from you mike! When I can I think I'll get The BEAST to cut my teeth on, and then I'll add the Supa BEAST to my collection! I see how much you love those polishers, so that makes me even more exited to get them!
For thin panels I would just go up on edge. Like I show here,
Originally Posted by Mike Phillips
I'll definitely read the article and watch the video. Actually I've read it before, and I'll read it again! It's a great read!
Now whenever I buff out cars I'll be thinking, "I'm making my buffer dance on paint!"
What kind of music do you think polishers dance to?
Originally Posted by Mike Phillips
Roger that!
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Re: Can I tackle these thin sections on this Pontiac G8 GXP with the FLEX Pixie?
You will be fine with that compound and using it with a foam pad. When I was sent out that polish to test it worked nice with a polishing pad for a nice finish.
You will like the PXE 80. It is really nice.
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Re: Can I tackle these thin sections on this Pontiac G8 GXP with the FLEX Pixie?
Originally Posted by The Guz
You will be fine with that compound and using it with a foam pad.
Roger that. I kind of figured that as well. As stated;
It is best to use Sonax Ultimate Cut 6+ with a lambswool pad on a rotary polisher or a hybrid wool pad on an orbital polisher to achieve optimal abrasion potential.
A heavy cutting foam pad would be a step below "optimal" indicating that a foam pad would be one step lower. I.E. less aggressive.
Originally Posted by The Guz
When I was sent out that polish to test it worked nice with a polishing pad for a nice finish.
I was thinking a polishing pad as well. Do you have a link or pictures to your results? I would like to see!
Originally Posted by The Guz
You will like the PXE 80. It is really nice.
Oh, I am very exited as well. I cant wait to experience for myself!
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Re: Can I tackle these thin sections on this Pontiac G8 GXP with the FLEX Pixie?
Originally Posted by Jacob Harrod AUTOCLEAN
On the page for the Sonax 6+ it says,
It is best to use Sonax Ultimate Cut 6+ with a lambswool pad on a rotary polisher or a hybrid wool pad on an orbital polisher to achieve optimal abrasion potential.
Will I still be ok to use the Blue HDO Foam P
Will I still be ok to use the Blue HDO Foam Pads with this compound as well?
Sure. The Blue HDO foam is a nice foam. You always get MORE cut with FIBER pads because fibers are a form of abrasives - That said - until you do some testing to find out how hard or soft the paint is you won't know what you can do and thus what pads/product combo will work best in your situation.
Originally Posted by Jacob Harrod AUTOCLEAN
I'm assuming that if I need the Blue HDO Pads and the Sonax Ultimate Cut 6+ for the larger sections, then it's highly probable that I'll need to use the RUPES Medium Wool Pad and the Sonax Ultimate Cut 6+, and the PXE 80 on the thinner panels.
Otherwise if I had to I could do some test spots on the thinner panels with the PXE 80.
Start by testing and this will guide you as to the path to follow.
Originally Posted by Jacob Harrod AUTOCLEAN
What has been your experience with the Pinnacle Advanced Finishing Polish and the Lake Country Orange Light Cutting Pads? Do you get better results with the light cutting pad, a polishing pad, or does it just depend on the paint?
I use foam polishing and finishing pads with the Pinnacle AFP. If for some reason I need or want more uct I don't use a foam cutting pad with a FINE cut polish - I use a more aggressive product.
Originally Posted by Jacob Harrod AUTOCLEAN
My line of thinking is that after I've compounded I can do a test spot with the light cutting pad, and then a test spot with the polishing pad and see what works better.
In the description of the Pinnacle Advanced Finishing Polish it says,
For the best results, apply Pinnacle Advanced Finishing Polish with a light cutting pad on your dual action polisher at a speed of no greater than 5.
Those are some fairly "general" recommendations on the store page. They show Lake Country ORANGE CCS pads and Lake Country WHITE FLAT foam polishing pads being used with the Porter Cable an in this context the info is kind of accurate only if using a Porter Cable you'll want to bump the speed to the 6 max setting in order to maintain pad rotation and work effectively.
The LC orange foam formula is a very NON-aggressive cutting foam so if a person was ONLY using the polish, a PC and this pad on most car paint it would do the job - that is remove most of the shallow swirls and leave the paint looking really nice.
In the real world, if a person was actually working on neglected paint - a more aggressive polish or compound with that same pad and tool would be a LOT more effective at both removing defects as well as time efficient.
Originally Posted by Jacob Harrod AUTOCLEAN
Thank you for any help you can provide, as I know there is a lot of info and questions here.
Hope the above helps....
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