Menzerna 3800 vs Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion vs Pinnacle Black Label Surface Cleansing Polish

[mwoolfso]

Hi,

I have a new black car, and I am going to do Black Label Diamond sealant followed by Souveran wax. How does Menzerna 3800 vs Pinnacle Cleansing Lotion vs Black Label Cleansing Polish compare?

I heard that Menzerna gives the most amazing gloss, but do I need the Pinnacle lotion or Black Label Polish if I use Menzerna?

Thank you!

Henry

To a degree you are not making an apples-to-apples comparison relative to the answer you are looking for... when you combine cleansing polishes with pure finishing polishes like Menzerna SF3x00.

1. Pinnacle Black Label cleansing lotion is used as the final prep before a coating or LSP. Also, can be used as a one-step maintenance if the paint is already in very good condition.
2. Pinnacle Cleansing Lotion is similar to Black Label, but it has fillers and would hamper a coating. If you are using BFWD you should be fine with the fillers and this product. I didn't notice anything negative when I used this combo.
3. Menzerna SF3x00 polishes are pure.... they simply polish and enhance gloss. They have no fillers in them and what you get is a good experience with this product line. In theory, you could polish with Menzerna and then final prep with either Pinnacle product before you apply the sealant. How much to exclude or combine is up to you but given that it is a new car Menzerna SF3x00 may be all you need

Cleansing polishes, lotions, pre-wax cleaners, etc... are typically maintenance products you use when you are simply looking for more cleaning than polishing. I typically apply pre-wax cleaners using a MF sponge and they do very well in terms of picking up embedded dirt - amazing actually!!!

If you are looking for (or anticipate) some swirl removal, then Menzerna SF3x00 will perform much better and the cleaners.

Regards,

Mark

[Mike@DedicatedPerfection]

Whoa.... really? .... is that same with FG400 and etc other polishes by menzerna?

I been going through whole car with McKeey's coating prep before LSP this whole time D: D: D:

As mentioned by Desertnate, we are discussing the paint sealant and not the paint coating.

I think what the poster and some may be missing is the fact he's applying the Black Label Synergy Sealant and not the paint coating. When applying sealants, I've always gone from the polish straight to the LSP with no ill effects.

[choijw2]

As mentioned by Desertnate, we are discussing the paint sealant and not the paint coating.

I understand we are talking about sealant.
But my understanding was, you always have to remove polishing oil before apply wax/ sealant.

[boomdone]

I understand we are talking about sealant.
But my understanding was, you always have to remove polishing oil before apply wax/ sealant.

I'm not sure if you have to remove the polishing oils, but I always do especially if I'm using Menzerna compounds/polishes because they are so oily. But, like a previous poster, I use Carpo Eraser and give the car a good wipedown. I figure I'm always better served to get the paint as clean as possible before applying an LSP in order for proper bonding.

[Jomax]

If menzerna polishes are body shop safe. Don't you think they leave the surface clean enough to go straight to the LSP? If you aren't coating the vehicle, I see no reason to add a step of a chemical wipe down.

[choijw2]

Oh well, this is very good news to me haha

Always learning something new lol

[The Guz]

I understand we are talking about sealant.
But my understanding was, you always have to remove polishing oil before apply wax/ sealant.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/...t-bonding.html

[Mike Phillips]

Good thread...

I'll try to get back to this...

[crazyhank]

Thank you so much Mark and everyone!

[Mike@DedicatedPerfection]

If menzerna polishes are body shop safe. Don't you think they leave the surface clean enough to go straight to the LSP?

This.

I do work in a body shop environment and can tell you first hand that the products designated body shop safe from Menzerna are indeed body shop safe.