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What are the REAL benefits of a long throw polisher?
I'm new into this obsession, so I could not bring myself to spend the extra money (got a GG6) on a BOSS or one of the other long-throw polishers out there. So, like the thread title asks......what are the REAL benefits of these machines over mine, or a PC 7424 for that matter. I'm not challenging those on here who speak to their effectiveness, but I'm trying to learn what you are really paying for with the higher priced machines
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Re: What are the REAL benefits of a long throw polisher?
Forced rotation, higher rpm, better orbit all translate into easier and faster results. Big advantage I see is time savings as they can power through tough corrections quicker. Forced rotation on uneven surfaces helps most noticeably there. I'm torn. Don't mind spending the money but for me I mainly do our own vehicles which are perfect and occasionally friends and what not. Have had zero issues accomplishing fantastic results with my PC or Shurhold.
2019 Pearl White Accord 2.0T Touring (mine)
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2010 Urban Platinum Metallic CRV EX-L & 2014 Mica Black Metallic Toyota Corolla S (kids)
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Re: What are the REAL benefits of a long throw polisher?
To my understanding there aren't any forced rotation long throw machines. The Rupes, BOSS etc are free spinning and will stop if enough resistance is provided.
My take on them is they work more because of the longer throw i.e. they work more than the shorter throw DA's.
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Re: What are the REAL benefits of a long throw polisher?
The short and simple answer - a long throw polisher can accomplish higher levels of correction in less time than a traditional small orbit polisher (PC or similar) and does so without the need for extremely high speeds, forced rotation, etc.
I think what you're trying to get to the root of is why does it cost more? A few things - the engineering required to balance a tool throwing a pad around at 21mm is far more complex than accomplishing the same with an 8mm tool; we're talking 2.5x the distance traveled by the pad, which would instinctively lead you to think "more vibration" when the truth is the BigFoot 21 is smoother than any PC type tool you'll ever find, effectively the smoothest operating tool on the market save for the Cyclo that has distinct advantages in design that offset vibration. You've also got vastly improved ergonomics, efficiency, etc.
You can't really compare the latest generation of tools to things like the PC in terms of electronics. Our BigFoot line of large orbit tools is much 'smarter' utilizing a much more complex electronics module than older tools which delivered a much more linear type of power.
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Re: What are the REAL benefits of a long throw polisher?
i had a hard time justifying the high price untill i bit the bullet and bought a Rupes 15. it's worth every penny, i can now polish cars faster with less effort. not even a year latter i have invested in a Rupes 21 and a 75e.
you can look into the Rupes Duetto, all of the Rupes quality at a "budget" price
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Re: What are the REAL benefits of a long throw polisher?
Originally Posted by Matt@Revive
you can look into the Rupes Duetto, all of the Rupes quality at a "budget" price
Not to talk anyone out of a Duetto, but with the 15ES coming down in price after the release of the 15 Mark II they're now the same price - the real justification for a Duetto is what its intended purpose is: A polisher thats also highly effective as a sander. Not everyone needs that capability, but if you do the Duetto is a killer option.
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Re: What are the REAL benefits of a long throw polisher?
[QUOTE=Dylan@RUPES;1370254]Not to talk anyone out of a Duetto, but with the 15ES coming down in price after the release of the 15 Mark II they're now the same price.QUOTE]
i forgot about the price drop on the original 15 and 21. with that info i'd jump on a 15ES before they are gone!
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Re: What are the REAL benefits of a long throw polisher?
Once I grasped the concept of the long throw machines, it was easy for me to dial in the process. I went from having 8mm to 12mm. The machine also ran smoother, and was more robust in it's delivery of power.
I went from using a machine on speeds 4-6, to using a machine from speeds 2-4.
Imagine your pad still, no rotation. Imagine that stationary pad being moved over the paint 8mm, 12, 15, and 21. Almost like hand sanding in a straight line (but in this example it's in a circle). Now imagine that pad starting to spin. That's a lot of movement compared to what I was used to with the 8mm PC (which I still love). Even though I only went up 4mm, that an extra 50% motion for me.
Pretty good idea from those guys in Italy. I mean to design an entire line of tools around that concept is pretty ingenious, and it actually works as advertised.
Right now I'm pretty happy with the Duetto, but I imagine once the Mini, and Nanos are acquired I'll round out the rest of my outfit with the 15, and 21. I've really been taken with Rupes. Not just the tools, but their proprietary pads, and compounds. Really top notch, high quality products.
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Re: What are the REAL benefits of a long throw polisher?
Originally Posted by Dylan@RUPES
Not to talk anyone out of a Duetto, but with the 15ES coming down in price after the release of the 15 Mark II they're now the same price - the real justification for a Duetto is what its intended purpose is: A polisher thats also highly effective as a sander. Not everyone needs that capability, but if you do the Duetto is a killer option.
That, the body style, and increased opm?
I'm personally not a fan of the rotary style chassis. That's what made the Duetto the natural choice for me.
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Re: What are the REAL benefits of a long throw polisher?
Just to clear, 8mm IS a long throw for a forced rotation device like a Flex3401. As for PC vs Long Throw? No comparison, my Rupes 15 is considerably more powerful than my PC/DAS6 not to mention the smoothness is in another league. Those 2 reasons alone justify the price difference.
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