Rupes 15mm MK II vs. Chinese 15mm...my thoughts

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WRAPT C5Z06

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[FONT=&quot]I've been using a chinese 15mm polisher for a while. Decided to get a Rupes 15 MKII. Best decision I've ever made. Power is nice, but the biggest difference I noticed is in the finish. With some polishes, I could not get the chinese 15 to finish to my liking. With the same polish, pads and paint, on the MK II.............wallah!! Much better finish! I've attributed the better finish strictly due to the polisher being much smoother and less vibration. Never really put this into consideration, but it makes total sense. Just wanted to share my thoughts.[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]
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After following the Rose and Kevin Brown all these years just as soon as rupes hit the states I jumped on the band wagon. I only have the lhr series so far but they are good..
 
WRAPT C5Z06 said:
[FONT=&quot]I've been using a chinese 15mm polisher for a while. Decided to get a Rupes 15 MKII. Best decision I've ever made. Power is nice, but the biggest difference I noticed is in the finish. With some polishes, I could not get the chinese 15 to finish to my liking. With the same polish and pads on the MK II, wallah!! Much better finish! I've attributed the better finish strictly due to the polisher being much smoother and less vibration. Never really put this into consideration, but it makes total sense. Just wanted to share my thoughts.[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]
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Do you know what manufacture of Chinese polisher you had. There are a bunch out their.


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Max Shine or Shine Master as they're about to be called, have been making their rounds lately on YouTube channels.

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Klasse Act said:
Max Shine or Shine Master as they're about to be called, have been making their rounds lately on YouTube channels.

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They sure have, but I can tell you first hand, they are not nearly the quality, smoothness, etc of the Rupes.
 
WRAPT C5Z06 said:
They sure have, but I can tell you first hand, they are not nearly the quality, smoothness, etc of the Rupes.
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I don't remember which Rupes I tried years ago but it was very smooth but I can't help but to notice issues people have with them. Are these generally production detailers having issues or hobbyists

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just an observation on the countless YT videos that are out. this is interesting, take it with a grain of salt...

btw, anyone ever see this DA before? crazy how fast it eats defects up and seems to be a juiced up/on steroids version of what's currently out...

mark, what forced rotation polishers have you currently owned and still have?
 
That’s good to hear Mark. I’ve been on the fence about buying a knock off polisher just to see if there was a real difference. You saved me a couple hundred bucks.
 
VISITOR said:
just an observation on the countless YT videos that are out. this is interesting, take it with a grain of salt...

btw, anyone ever see this DA before? crazy how fast it eats defects up and seems to be a juiced up/on steroids version of what's currently out...

mark, what forced rotation polishers have you currently owned and still have?
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I gotta say, that's a really interesting test!!! I still have the Flex 3401, but don't use it very much.

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WRAPT C5Z06 said:
Maxshine.
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Maxshine makes griots :) definitely same quality though l. I bought a maxshine from Jeff Bezos. m15 I believe and had a lot of vibrations just holding it and running. Sent back. The have a new m15 pro. Suppose to be stronger and less vibration. But luckily Autogeek had an awesome tool time sale that let me get a boss g15 for basically same price. Thanks Autogeek!


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Coatingsarecrack said:
Maxshine makes griots :) definitely same quality though l. I bought a maxshine from Jeff Bezos. m15 I believe and had a lot of vibrations just holding it and running. Sent back. The have a new m15 pro. Suppose to be stronger and less vibration. But luckily Autogeek had an awesome tool time sale that let me get a boss g15 for basically same price. Thanks Autogeek!


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the BOSS G15/21 are to GG specs/standards and one example/feature is the premium NSK bearings they use which is not something that is found on most (long throw) polishers. notice the internals/components are laid out (and explained) in the video below and if they were inferior, would most likely not be shown/discussed. listen at 2:37 mark below...

to quote Autopia/AGO member Mike Lambert who sums it up well...
"I consider a knock off to be a cheap imitation of a current item. Griot's has taken an existing idea and improved on the short comings. Also offering a better warranty and accessories that improved it's performance".

btw (not directed towards you but in general), each person has their own budget, preference, and usage on what they like and can afford. what one person may like in a polisher (keep in mind that all long throw polishers will stall on certain areas of the vehicle), another may not and so forth. probably wouldn't make sense to spend $400+ on a polisher if you were only to use it once/twice a year. what if you fired it up a year and half later and it kicked the bucket (most polishers only have a 1 year warranty), you would most likely be out another $85+ to fix it. buy what fits your needs/situation, that will determine what polisher is best for you. eventually, they will all get you to your destination...
 
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the BOSS G15/21 are to GG specs/standards and one example/feature is the premium NSK bearings they use which is not something that is found on most (long throw) polishers. notice the internals/components are laid out (and explained) in the video below and if they were inferior, would most likely not be shown/discussed. listen at 2:37 mark below...
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Yeah I’m not sure if the same quality but the maxshine m series pro’s look ALOT like griots. They have the similar looking MACHINED counter weight and although in descriptions that I read they don’t state that they use NSK’s. I asked maxshine and they said that new pro’s use NSK bearings. The said they are not Japanese nsk bearings and I have know idea what is the difference. These are the things Griots touted Now I’m sure a lot of other things (motor/wiring) could be different. I was debating between that one and griots. AG then had a 20% off tool time and that made the boss kit around a 100$ more. Coming with 3 quality MF and 5 boss pads plus the lifetime warranty from griots (maxshine says they have a one year and lifetime?) that is said to be amazing from the users here made it more than worth the difference. I woulda probably bought griots anyways as I live close to them so if ever neede warranty I could just drive. If 350-450 not feasible and need a long through.... doesn’t look bad. For the price though the GG6 is best value I feel.



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To the point about vibration... I took the below pictures in 2014 while touring the Milan, Italy RUPES manufacturing plant....


Teaser shots taking inside the Rupes Manufacturing Plant in Milan, Italy


To me.... this is one of the more interesting things I saw while touring the manufacturing plant.

Would anyone like to venture a guess as to what is taking place in the below two pictures?


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Sorry this picture is a tick out of focus as I was shooting through a Plexiglas window but I think you can get the idea as to which model tool this is inside this chamber.

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What I was told is this is how RUPES does at least some of their failure testing. They turn the machines on, I think at full speed, and let them run to see if they fail due to vibration.


My guess is there's a lot to the precision machining that goes into a tool that enables it to run smooth and also run smooth longer, as in over time, as in over years. The more focus on precision would amount to more time.


Just some guesses. Was interesting to see while at RUPES in Milan, Italy.


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Interesting thread.

I have an XFE 15 that runs so smooth. My Rupes is only a “Mark 1” and the Flex is smoother.

Definitely makes sense that the smoother a machine runs, the better the finish.
 
Coatingsarecrack said:
Yeah I’m not sure if the same quality but the maxshine m series pro’s look ALOT like griots. They have the similar looking MACHINED counter weight and although in descriptions that I read they don’t state that they use NSK’s. I asked maxshine and they said that new pro’s use NSK bearings. The said they are not Japanese nsk bearings and I have know idea what is the difference. These are the things Griots touted Now I’m sure a lot of other things (motor/wiring) could be different. I was debating between that one and griots. AG then had a 20% off tool time and that made the boss kit around a 100$ more. Coming with 3 quality MF and 5 boss pads plus the lifetime warranty from griots (maxshine says they have a one year and lifetime?) that is said to be amazing from the users here made it more than worth the difference. I woulda probably bought griots anyways as I live close to them so if ever neede warranty I could just drive. If 350-450 not feasible and need a long through.... doesn’t look bad. For the price though the GG6 is best value I feel.



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I just spoke with a detailer that I respect and he told me he no longer uses his G15 because of the lack of power and increased vibration. He likes the 15 Mark II much better. So many different opinions.

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Mike Phillips said:
Also just to add for those that will read this thread into the future and have not seen my article on the topic of pad suitability with RUPES tools or any long through tool for that matter.



The Air Test - Using NON RUPES pads on RUPES Polishers by Mike Phillips




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This is a great post. I tried this test yesterday. I had the Mark II 15 spinning in the air without a pad and there was some vibration. I attached a Rupes yellow pad, spun it in the air, and no vibration!

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