3-Categories: Waxes, Paint Sealants and Coatings

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3-Categories: Waxes, Paint Sealants and Coatings


In an effort to help standardize terms used in the detailing industry, now that CQuartz and Opti-Coat 2.0 are mainstream, there are three general categories in the "Protection" category

  • Waxes
  • Paint Sealants
  • Coatings


Waxes
Generally defined as any product that contains a natural or synthetic waxy ingredients that are intended to protect the paint and/or add beauty to the paint. These types traditional waxes will wear off under normal wear-n-tear, repeated washings and exposure to the environment.


Paint Sealants
Generally defined as any protection product that contains man-made or synthetic ingredients that are intended to protect the paint and/or add beauty to the paint. These traditional sealants will wear off under normal wear-n-tear, repeated washings and exposure to the environment.


Coatings
Generally defined as any paint protection product that contains man-made or synthetic protection ingredients that are intended to permanently bond to the paint to both provide a barrier-coating of protection as well as create a clear, high gloss finish. The products available in this category are considered permanent coatings because like your car's paint, they cannot be removed unless you purposefully remove them or you purposefully neglect them.



Definition of permanent in the context of sealing paint
This is kind of tricky just because the nature of discussion forums is for some personality types to read super literal into each and every single word, in this case the word permanent.

From TheFreeDictionary.com said:
per·ma·nent (pûrm-nnt)
adj.
1. Lasting or remaining without essential change: "the universal human yearning for something permanent, enduring, without shadow of change" (Willa Cather).

2. Not expected to change in status, condition, or place: a permanent address; permanent secretary to the president.
n.


In the context that we refer to coating as permanent it means that once the coating is properly applied and allowed to cure and set-up, it will not come off under normal circumstances or via normal wear-n-tear such as careful washing. So in this context, a coating is permanent in the same manner your car's paint is permanent.

The paint on your car is not going to come off unless you abrade it, chemically dissolve it or in some other mechanical means, purposefully remove it. In this same way, legitimate paint coatings are not going to come off unless you abrade it, chemically dissolve it or on some other mechanical means, purposefully remove it.

Traditional car waxes and paint sealants will wear off under normal use circumstances or via normal wear-n-tear such as careful washing. So in the context of and in comparison with traditional car waxes and paint sealants, paint coatings are permanent.



Examples of Waxes and Paint Sealants can be found here,


Two new coatings now available at Autogeek.net are,

Optimum Polymer Technologies

CarPro Innovative Nano Coats


:)
 
Question;

Would there be any advantage / disadvantage to adding a sealant and or wax coating on top of a permanent coating?
 
Question;

Would there be any advantage / disadvantage to adding a sealant and or wax coating on top of a permanent coating?

This came up in the Optimum class on Saturday. A wax or sealant can be added to give you the depth or glow that they offer. Also added protection. However, it was said that you don't need to top it with anything if you don't want to. The coating will bead and protect the clear.

The coatings almost act like a 2nd clear coat on the car. So they can be treated as such. At least that was what I got out of it. It's a very cool technology that I may offer to some of my customers if they are willing to pay.
 
Nice! I don't know if I will use any of the coatings. I like waxing too much! :)

You can actually wax right over it to give you the depth and glow that a quality wax will give you. You just have to ensure that the paint is flawless prior to applying the coating. Because once you put this stuff on the only way to get it off is to polish it off.
 
After applying the coat is it worth applying wax / sealant on top of it or the other way (wax/sealant - coat)
 
Talk about having to be on your game with paint correction! If you seal in a paint flaw with a coating you are going to be working double time to remove it or waiting a very long time until that coating is worn away. Don't know which would be agonizing, waiting for the coating to wear away(which I don't think would happen for years) or carefully compounding the coating and paint defect/flaw away then trying to re-coat the spot. Has anyone been through this scenario? I am sure the pros like Mike haven't. Since they only put out flawless finishes.:) Can't wait to be at the level in detailing that I have the opportunity to put a coating on a vehicle.:)
 
After applying the coat is it worth applying wax / sealant on top of it or the other way (wax/sealant - coat)

The proper order would be to do the coating, then sealant, then wax.

The coating doesn't need to be topped with anything. That's one of the features of it. However, if you want the depth and glow that say a nuba wax will provide you can top the coating with that.

Just as an FYI I've never actually used this product. We just had a lengthy conversation about the product at the optimum class at Detail Fest. If you want to get someone that has hands on experience with it I'd talk to Superior Shine. He's been using the Opti-Coat for I think around a year now and he can probably answer best.
 
This came up in the Optimum class on Saturday. A wax or sealant can be added to give you the depth or glow that they offer. Also added protection. However, it was said that you don't need to top it with anything if you don't want to. The coating will bead and protect the clear.

The coatings almost act like a 2nd clear coat on the car. So they can be treated as such. At least that was what I got out of it. It's a very cool technology that I may offer to some of my customers if they are willing to pay.

Thanks Jason!

I mean, I have allot invested in sealants and waxes and to have one product eliminate their use would cause sleepless nights and I'd need to find another hobby... :(

Besides, I like detailing too much to switch to coat and forget it product.....:awman:
 
lol I hear ya Bobby! I think it's just another option that we can offer our customers. I probably won't be doing a lot of them, but it's a good option on full paint corrections as it adds an additional layer of scratch protection that a sealant and wax doesn't seem to offer. Since the coating actually hardens.

I don't think this will be replacing any sealants or waxes though!
 
It's another option. As technology marches on there will be others.

As an aside: One of the first posts I read on this forum was Mike's discussion on the difference between a wax and a sealant. What an article to read as your intro! :idea:
 
Mike,

Thanks for the reply to my PM about the topic. I should have posted the question here and shared the info with the group. Thanks for sharing! :props:
 
Question;

Would there be any advantage / disadvantage to adding a sealant and or wax coating on top of a permanent coating?

Bobby, this has come up a lot, not only on here but my forum and DB as well. I have made a statement that if you like to play with waxes on a regular basis, then these coatings are not for you. Now, I don't sell them or profit by their sale in any way, so you can look at my bias compared to what you get told by others. I like this analogy. Your wife buys this hot dress that makes her legs look great and really shows off her attributes. But then you go buy her a heavy, black overcoat which hides the dress. People will only see the overcoat, and not the dress. The coating repel water and dirt better than any sealant or wax can. They also add to the look of the finish due to smoothing out the finish even more. So, you just paid a lot of money for an expensive coating and you want to render it ineffective by topping it? The outer surface, whatever product that may be, is what is going to offer the water beading, dirt repelling and other properties that you want.
My advice: Don't top it. Let it do its thing. Trust in it and you will be extremely impressed. Use it on your wife's car if you want to still play with waxes.
 
Bobby, this has come up a lot, not only on here but my forum and DB as well. I have made a statement that if you like to play with waxes on a regular basis, then these coatings are not for you. Now, I don't sell them or profit by their sale in any way, so you can look at my bias compared to what you get told by others. I like this analogy. Your wife buys this hot dress that makes her legs look great and really shows off her attributes. But then you go buy her a heavy, black overcoat which hides the dress. People will only see the overcoat, and not the dress. The coating repel water and dirt better than any sealant or wax can. They also add to the look of the finish due to smoothing out the finish even more. So, you just paid a lot of money for an expensive coating and you want to render it ineffective by topping it? The outer surface, whatever product that may be, is what is going to offer the water beading, dirt repelling and other properties that you want.
My advice: Don't top it. Let it do its thing. Trust in it and you will be extremely impressed. Use it on your wife's car if you want to still play with waxes.

Well said Richy. In the class it was brought up about topping it for that wet look that a nuba wax can offer. But you do make some good points there and it makes perfect sense.
 
Well said Richy. In the class it was brought up about topping it for that wet look that a nuba wax can offer. But you do make some good points there and it makes perfect sense.

I would think since these coatings aren't able to be removed with something like a dawn wash, you might be able to top with a wax if you're going to a show and then strip it back down afterward so the coating can keep doing its job... but that's merely speculation on my part.
 
I would think since these coatings aren't able to be removed with something like a dawn wash, you might be able to top with a wax if you're going to a show and then strip it back down afterward so the coating can keep doing its job... but that's merely speculation on my part.

I think it's going to also depend on your customer. Some customers just prefer that wet look that you can get with a good nuba. But time will tell. I'm probably going to pick up some of this and test it out. I'd like to see how application and the over all look of it is.
 
I think it's going to also depend on your customer. Some customers just prefer that wet look that you can get with a good nuba. But time will tell. I'm probably going to pick up some of this and test it out. I'd like to see how application and the over all look of it is.

Well if we're talking about customer vehicle use, there's no question the coating products are going to be an up-sell product... but that's another issue altogether.
 
I like the potential of these coatings in areas that aren't clearcoated or are difficult to wax, like exterior plastic trim, hubcaps, undercarriages and rocker panels.

:idea: What about Opti-Coat or CQuartz on painted pickup truck beds as a substitute for plastic or spray-on bedliners, or even topping a bedliner with one of these products?
 
B if you like to play with waxes on a regular basis, then these coatings are not for you.


These coatings are not for me......


.....at the moment. If I get a daily driver, then it will be coated with one of these. I like playing with wax and sealant WAY to much on my car to coat it. I might offer this to customers though.

I have a question for you all. I am a skeptical by nature person. How do I convince a customer that these are as good as they are?
 
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