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    Re: The Difference Between a Cleaner/Wax and a Finishing Wax

    Quote Originally Posted by JeepGeek View Post

    My questions are:
    1. If sealants don't produce the best shine, but are put directly on the paint and topped with carnauba, Doesn't this create a "Hybrid" shine? better than a sealant maybe but less than Carnauba since the carnauba is in effect enhancing the shine of whatever the sealant has produced?
    I don't know about that...

    Keep in mind, we're living in a time when paint sealants do create incredibly clear and high gloss results as do coatings...

    All but the hood of this car has M21 Synthetic Sealant on it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeepGeek View Post

    2. If I have properly prepared my paint, why wouldn't I just layer say Collinite 915 and skip a WGDGPS (for example) undercoat? would seem to satisfy kiss method..
    Works for me. Choosing and using a wax, sealant or coating tends to be a personal preference issue as beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I always say,

    "Find something you like and use it often"



    Quote Originally Posted by JeepGeek View Post
    I just want to winterize my car and I have an abundance of elbow grease to do it with but am obviously confused about layering. I want the best carnauba shine I can get with a serious dose of toughness to protect it long ways into the winter. Thing is, I'd rather use the fewest products needed to get this result..

    Thanks for any and all advice along these lines!
    You are experiencing the same thing we all experience, that is choosing the best product for our needs... there's never going to be a pat answer for everyone and I certainly don't want to tell anyone exactly what they will like.

    Pick something you're interested in, something you've researched and has a good brand name and reputation and you'll be good to go...

    Remember, anything that lands on your car's finish that's strong or corrosive enough to etch or harm the paint will strong or corrosive enough to obliterate whatever you put on it. Spend more time driving your wheels instead of spinning your wheels...

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    Re: The Difference Between a Cleaner/Wax and a Finishing Wax

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike.Phillips@Autogeek View Post
    I don't know about that...

    Keep in mind, we're living in a time when paint sealants do create incredibly clear and high gloss results as do coatings...
    So basically, sealant and carnaubas are on equal footings even at the highest levels. Thanks for cutting through the marketing hype!
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike.Phillips@Autogeek View Post
    All but the hood of this car has M21 Synthetic Sealant on it...
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike.Phillips@Autogeek View Post
    This Mustang has a "coating" on it...
    Simply STUNNING WORK!!
    Dumb question time.. Why not the hood with M21?


    Quote Originally Posted by Mike.Phillips@Autogeek View Post
    Works for me.
    Ok I'll give it a shot that way for this winter. I still don't understand why sealant is topped with Carnauba but i'm not gonna worry about it and just get something done.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike.Phillips@Autogeek View Post
    You are experiencing the same thing we all experience, that is choosing the best product for our needs... there's never going to be a pat answer for everyone and I certainly don't want to tell anyone exactly what they will like.

    Pick something you're interested in, something you've researched and has a good brand name and reputation and you'll be good to go...
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    I would take any suggestion from you as trusted advice not mandates so PLEASE feel free to make me a better informed end user any time.

    Appreciate the information and I've proudly placed my first orders with Autogeek !

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    Re: The Difference Between a Cleaner/Wax and a Finishing Wax

    Quote Originally Posted by JeepGeek View Post

    Dumb question time.. Why not the hood with M21?
    We did put M21 on the hood, we then put the M26 over the top of it. We didn't put M26 over the entire car because,

    A: You're supposed to wait 12 to 24 hours before topping a sealant so you don't disrupt the previously applied protection ingredients allowing them to fully dry/set-up/cure/crosslink/polymerize etc. (whatever magic they do on the surface, only the chemist knows for sure)


    B: We don't have the luxury of "time" during our Thursday Night Live Broadcasts.


    Here's my article on topping...

    Topping - Definition - How to Top also called Topping


    Note just because I have an article on the practice and show how to do it means I endorse the practice. I'm more of a do a good job with one coat, or apply two coats of the same product kind of guy.

    Sometimes I write articles just to help others do a procedure without screwing it up.


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    Re: The Difference Between a Cleaner/Wax and a Finishing Wax

    There are many steps involved in keeping an automobile looking it's best. Auto detailing can be done by a professional or at home. it may involve protective measures that a keep a car looking new or taking steps to eliminate scratches, dents and other blemishes after they've occurred. Car polished and waxing are important to auto detailing and each one serves a purpose.
    What is Wax?

    Car wax comes in two main forms: liquid and paste. It may be made from natural wax, but is mostly synthetic. Paste-type wax is the traditional car wax. It is applied to add a protective layer on top of a car's paint and clear coat. This layer of wax adds shine to the car's appearance and protects the paint job itself from the elements, causing water to bead up and slide off. Wax also filters ultraviolet light and prevents the color of a car from fading over time. Wax also helps delay the onset of oxidation by forming a physical barrier between the metal of the car and the salts, oils and other contaminants the car is exposed to during driving and storage.

    Liquid wax functions in a way similar to paste wax, but is produced in a thinner form. With both types of wax, the application process involves rubbing the wax onto the surface of the car and then, once it has tried to a dull luster, removing it by rubbing with a clean cloth. The portion of the wax that stays behind provides the glossy shine and typically lasts for several months before wearing off.

    What is Polish?

    Car polish is a liquid applied to painted surfaces to eliminate scratches and dirt. It does this by containing abrasive elements that scrub the paint surface, actually removing a thin layer of the car's paint job. Additional solid components in the polish settle into fine scratches and minimize their appearance by reflecting light and making them blend into the rest of the surface. Most car polishes contain wax to help produce the desired glossy appearance.

    Polish can be applied by hand or using a power polisher or buffer with a soft cloth attachment. Many products exist for turning power drills and other power tools into polishers. Most manufacturers of car polish advise applying several coats with lessening degrees of pressure, gradually minimizing the appearance of imperfections in the car's surfaces.

    Similarities and Differences

    While car wax and polish are used to achieve a glossy, clean appearance, they function in different ways. While waxing a car adds a layer of protectant, polishing removes a layer, eliminating dirt but also thinning the top coat of paint. Oftentimes, wax will be applied after polish to restore any protective layer that has been lost and protect the newly smoothed surface.

    Car polish is generally thinner than wax, being sold as a thin liquid or as a liquid spray. Once applied, polish does not need to be removed as wax does, but excess polish should be wiped off to prevent streaking and running.

    While most car wax serves the same purpose, polishes are sometimes marketed for certain types of paint or even certain colors. Polish specially designed for dark paint colors promises to prevent fading while polish for light cars is intended to keep the colors bright and clean.

    How to Choose

    The decision to use either polish or wax depends largely on the car itself and the intentions of the owner. Despite myths to the contrary, new cars should be waxed on a regular basis according to manufacturer recommendations. A new car should not be polished (it should not need to be) until it has been driven long enough, or under environmental conditions, so as to have experienced some visible amount of surface scratching or deterioration. Applying wax to a new car every few months can put off the need to apply polish for many years.

    For older paint jobs, using polish and wax is preferred when maximum results are desired. If the intent is simply to preserve the paint in its current condition, wax alone is best. Using polish without wax is uncommon since the removal of a layer of paint leaves the car vulnerable to scratches that wax would protect against.

    Other Detailing Options

    While both car polish and wax are designed to enhance the appearance of a car's paint job, in certain situations it is best to have the car painted. This can be an expensive procedure and may never achieve the same look as when the car was new, but even regular applications of polish and wax cannot preserve a paint job forever. In cases where a small section of a car has been repainted or touched up, using polish and wax can help to blend this section into the rest of the car.
    A host of polishes, waxes, and cleaners exist for cleaning and preserving the interior of a car. These vary widely and may be designed to dissolve dirt, add shine or provide a layer of protection from light and heat.


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    Re: The Difference Between a Cleaner/Wax and a Finishing Wax

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenKidman View Post

    There are many steps involved in keeping an automobile looking it's best.

    Auto detailing can be done by a professional or at home.

    Did you write the above article or copy and paste it from somewhere?

    If you copied and pasted it from somewhere as a professional courtesy to the person that invested the time to think and write the article you really should cite them and give them credit for their work.



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    Re: The Difference Between a Cleaner/Wax and a Finishing Wax

    So I'm posting on a old thread, but the post with all the products split into their catogories was very helpful. But my head is about to explode from all the product there.

    I would like to have 1 go to AIO (preferably cleaner/sealant) on hand at all times. I've always looked at the Klasse AIO, but there are so many of them. How do you choose without having to buy all of them? lol

    I looked at McKee's 37 360 since it has alot of reviews and the Klasse AIO. I don't know the others.

    THen there are the hybrid ones that I got even more confused with. you would think a product that is a cleaner to fix light swirls, has wax for the best shine and sealant for longest durability would be a no brainer?

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