Your Brief thoughts On Megs Solvent

[PiPUK]

D-limonene - another solvent which is badly misunderstood! As Bob says, it is really very toxic to aquatic life. It is worse than most of the other non-polar solvents we routinely encounter. More than that, it is a skin sensitiser at low levels (anything above 1&#37. The big plus is it comes from a renewable source.

Megs body solvent is almost certainly a milder blend than d-limonene would be. The strength of both the major components is lower than d-limonene (d-limonene compares closely to xylene). This is the reason it takes, as Bob says, dwell time. On forums in the UK, users would interpret this as a failing and would slate the product whilst turning to faster acting products which damage plastic trims and sensitive finishes faster than you can rinse them off. But that doesn't tend to matter because the tar has dissolved - a form of madness for someone claiming to be interested in the very best for your paintwork but then again my intent is to sell to detailers, not to emulate.

The real trick with tar is to achieve what Mike discusses with abrasives, use the least aggressive product necessary to do the job. You can (and many people unwittingly do) use products rather similar to paint strippers. These are hit and run products. Megs body solvent (as example) is the opposite end and is really pretty safe. However, you need the contact time and my belief is that these products fail with most users because they drip off before that time has been achieved. There are solutions to this and products available to the detailing market - if you have a tar remover which is mild but also effective, you would think you would be onto a winner but it is hard to get that message across to those who are used to forking out $15 for a gallon of paint stripper type product.

[statusdetailing]

So what's the answer? What tar remover is mild yet effective and won't kill fish?

[PiPUK]

So what's the answer? What tar remover is mild yet effective and won't kill fish?

Something with the solvency along the lines of body solvent but which does not drip. Mineral spirits isn't reall all that bad a solvent from an environmental viewpoint. D-limonene is also not all that bad, the problem is that most d-limonene marketing is aimed towards products which have a few percent or less of content. When used in a tar remover, it is much much higher and therefore the risk increases.

[erichaley]

I like Tar-X myself. I'm not sure if its safe for fish though. Hold on while I pour some in the aquarium...

[ken tuep]

I prefer using mineral spirits. It works really well and is available almost everywhere.

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[Shtexas]

Megs body solvent is a 60% odorless kerosene 40% naphtha mix. Give or take a bit on the mix percentage.
I know that Naphtha is used by many places as a body solvent to prep the paint work. My buddy who worked at a toyota factory told me they use it before applying decals and emblems. It's also in a few prep products.

[ken tuep]

Most prep-sol products work perfectly at wax, tar, and grease removal.

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[FUNX650]

Megs body solvent is a 60% odorless kerosene 40% naphtha mix.

^^^Perhaps?...(any "mineral spirits"?)^^^

Give or take a bit on the mix percentage.<<<OK

I know that Naphtha is used by many places as a body solvent to prep the paint work.
My buddy who worked at a toyota factory told me they use it before applying decals and emblems.
It's also in a few prep products.

^^^True^^^

From an earlier post:

From Meguiar's D130 MSDS:

Components...........................CAS#..........%
Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon....64742-47-8....55-65
Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon....64742-48-9....35-45

Some of: Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon (CAS# 64742-47-8) synonyms:
-Aliphatic Hydrocarbon
-Dispersol
-Distillate Fuel Oils, Light
-Hydrotreated Light Petroleum Distillates
-Light Petrolium Distillate
-Low Odor Paraffinic Solvent
-Mineral spirts
-Odorless Base Oil
-Petroleum Distillates

Some of: Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon (CAS# 64742-48-9) synonyms:
-Kerosene (Low Odor)
-Synthetic aliphatic hydrocarbon (hydrotreated)
-Isopar L Solvent
-Naptha
-Hydrotreated heavy naphtha (petroleum)
-Hydrotreated light steam cracked naptha
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Doesn't it appear that D130 is, basically, just a:
"chemical-lab formulation/mixture"...of Naptha and Mineral Spirits?

Bob

[PiPUK]

One should be cautious with the term naptha. It is not very specific. It would be a bit like telling someone that you like carbonated beverages and expecting them to know you mean Coke. There are many different solvents which can be described as Naptha. If you go into a shop and ask for it, you could easily come back with something totally different than you got in another shop.

[statusdetailing]

Out of all the chemicals, products, tool, etc that I work with, nothing frustrates me more than finding a good, safe, environmentally friendly tar/adhesive remover.

I love the high percentage dlimonene product that I'm using. I chose it thinking I was doing the environment and myself a favor, and in end it seems as if it too isn't really the most friendly product.

If somebody could just step in a say, "Hey, I use xyz product and it works decent and is environmentally friendly," they would be doing me a huge favor.