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    Re: Swirl Marks/Spider Webs

    Quote Originally Posted by BLUEOVALFITTER View Post
    I still have some BLACKFIRE WET DIAMOND sealant. Are you referring to that?
    I have been wanting to try that new 3 IN 1 wax. I do have some paste Meguiar's Cleaner Wax.
    I want to use something that won't bankrupt my checking account, but will at least cut the swirl marks a little bit. Sounds like the 3 IN 1 is what I need. Is there any other products here you would suggest?
    THANK YOU!
    I was not referring to BlackFIRE Wet Diamond.

    Pick up some Meguiars 3n1 and give it a go.

    Other products to suggest would be to pick up a DA buffer and some white polishing pads. This will give you far better results and wont kill your arm in the process.

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    Re: Swirl Marks/Spider Webs

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul A. View Post

    In my opinion, wetsanding would be my last resort and levelling your paint with compounds would be less aggressive to your paint and much more effective.

    I agree. Wetsanding FACTORY paint should be the last option for about 99.9% of car owners. Even more so if they don't already own a polisher nor know how to use one.

    See these two articles. There's nothing on the Internet that explains the issue like the second article.


    Clearcoats are thin by Mike Phillips


    Wetsanding - Fresh Paint vs Factory Paint




    Quote Originally Posted by Paul A. View Post

    Doing it by hand is far more difficult than using a random orbital machine.

    I would go further and say that most people I meet don't have the skill, experience, patience or physical strength to hand rub an entire car. And I taught hand polishing at Meguiar's for 7 years. When I came to Autogeek I quit teaching hand polishing in "most" of my classes because here at Autogeek - we don't sell hands.


    Put a little passion behind the pad - Mike Phillips

    How to use a hand applied abrasive polish or paint cleaner by hand



    TONS of information in this single thread and the video is detailed also.


    Here's what you need to get into machine polishing - Recommendations for a beginner by Mike Phillips



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    Re: Swirl Marks/Spider Webs

    I'm so glad I found this thread!!

    My black car looks great in the shade after it's been washed, but in the sun, UGH! TONS of swirl marks! I can't afford a polisher right now so I was prepared to try to do it by hand until I read Mike Phillips' article about how difficult it is to do an entire car.

    So it seems I will either have to try to find one I can borrow or live with the terrible swirl marks until I can buy one.

    Thank you yet again, Mike, for your informative articles!

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