ONR: The Definitive Thread

[Mantilgh]

Thanks builthatch

It's also hard to tell listening to that video, but is he suggesting you can clay towel the vehicle just after the initial ONR wash without drying and rewetting with ONR first?

I tried listening several times and I just can't make it out. It's right around the 1:55 min mark. Kinda sounds like he says the car needs to be pre washed, then right after he says wash the car as normal, but don't dry it.?

I would assume you would wash, dry, rewet, spray wax, then clay towel. Not from the start: ONR, spray wax, clay towel, dry?

[expdetailing]

builthatch is right; you can't convince me that rinseless doesn't incure some risk. I want to shed some light here from my experience.
I've noticed a lot of scratches in my paint lately. I polished most out last year. Since then, 80% of my washes have been rinseless. I use Eagle 70/30 MF towels folded in sections, and use a new section per swipe. If I am instilling swirls with this method, can the sponge that doesn't seam to get rinsed enough be any safer?
Ultimately, I really don't care about the swirls. In fact, I prefer them. It gives me an excuse to polish my vehicle again. That makes my original post mute to my purposes, but maybe not to someone else who minds swirls.
Given what I just said about not minding swirls, maybe I should switch to a sponge. Go figure...

[VP Mark]

Unless you have really soft clear coat as long as you are cautious and don't ONR wash when the vehicle is overly dirty, ONR washes are completely safe.

Have around 1,000 ONR washes under my belt to date.

[CarolinasFinestDetailing]

^exactly, he doesn't rinse the sponge, unless you consider the re-dunk and squeeze as the rinse.

Not to dis the man that made the video or ONR, but I thought the same thing as expdetailing about not flipping and not rinsing(the sponge).

Also thought the same thing when I watched the CB method video. First thought there was "wow, that must be a pretty clean car for him not to be flipping to a new side of the towel much."

Does ONR really do such a great job of encapsulating dirt and providing slickness that it makes it less necessary?

I'm typically afraid to make one full swipe on a panel with out flipping but I use traditional surfactant car wash soap. I have not tried any rinseless or waterless washes though.

I admit, it was super hard for me to convert, especially with the salt build up I deal with in winter. But Yvan spent time talking me through. It's a huge time saver. You just have to keep your mind open.

Try this, fill a cup with ONR water, then put some dirt on top, watch.

Thanks builthatch

It's also hard to tell listening to that video, but is he suggesting you can clay towel the vehicle just after the initial ONR wash without drying and rewetting with ONR first?

I tried listening several times and I just can't make it out. It's right around the 1:55 min mark. Kinda sounds like he says the car needs to be pre washed, then right after he says wash the car as normal, but don't dry it.?

I would assume you would wash, dry, rewet, spray wax, then clay towel. Not from the start: ONR, spray wax, clay towel, dry?

No, wash with ONR, then clay via spray wax, then wipe dry. You would basically do this panel by panel if in the sun or it's warm.

builthatch is right; you can't convince me that rinseless doesn't incure some risk. I want to shed some light here from my experience.
I've noticed a lot of scratches in my paint lately. I polished most out last year. Since then, 80% of my washes have been rinseless. I use Eagle 70/30 MF towels folded in sections, and use a new section per swipe. If I am instilling swirls with this method, can the sponge that doesn't seam to get rinsed enough be any safer?
Ultimately, I really don't care about the swirls. In fact, I prefer them. It gives me an excuse to polish my vehicle again. That makes my original post mute to my purposes, but maybe not to someone else who minds swirls.
Given what I just said about not minding swirls, maybe I should switch to a sponge. Go figure...

Most swirling or marring normally occurs from drying actually. ONR leaves behind slickness to help. Personally, I prefer to use plush MF towels over waffle weave to dry.

[conman1395]

builthatch is right; you can't convince me that rinseless doesn't incure some risk. I want to shed some light here from my experience.
I've noticed a lot of scratches in my paint lately. I polished most out last year. Since then, 80% of my washes have been rinseless. I use Eagle 70/30 MF towels folded in sections, and use a new section per swipe. If I am instilling swirls with this method, can the sponge that doesn't seam to get rinsed enough be any safer?
Ultimately, I really don't care about the swirls. In fact, I prefer them. It gives me an excuse to polish my vehicle again. That makes my original post mute to my purposes, but maybe not to someone else who minds swirls.
Given what I just said about not minding swirls, maybe I should switch to a sponge. Go figure...

A sponge is not a flat surface. It's an extremely porous surface. Think of it like a reverse plush microfiber towel; the pile is "inside" the spong and pores versus the "outside" of a towel with a deep pile.

[builthatch]

I prefer to use plush MF towels over waffle weave to dry.

yep. dry me crazy towel is perfect. you can just touch the car with the towel - blot, etc. no need to wipe.

[PouncingPanzer]

ONR is my go-to clay lube, and it always works great in that application. I just can't help but wonder how it is that the solution that is expected to deal with the dirtiest surface, the wash solution, is the solution with the lowest ratio? I would expect the QD to have the lowest dilution ratio, as the surface will likely be the cleanest at the time of using it rather then the wash solution. Just a thought and something I have pondered more than once.

[Buck91]

I've found that the qd ratio works more along the lines of a waterless wash than just a qd.

[Mantilgh]

Thanks builthatch

It's also hard to tell listening to that video, but is he suggesting you can clay towel the vehicle just after the initial ONR wash without drying and rewetting with ONR first?

I tried listening several times and I just can't make it out. It's right around the 1:55 min mark. Kinda sounds like he says the car needs to be pre washed, then right after he says wash the car as normal, but don't dry it.?

I would assume you would wash, dry, rewet, spray wax, then clay towel. Not from the start: ONR, spray wax, clay towel, dry?

Ha, I guess it's been a little while.

I started doing this (ONR, spray wax, clay towel, and then dry) shortly after I post the above and have great results with it.

Definitely a good production style wash for daily drivers. Be cautious on soft paint though.

[PouncingPanzer]

I've found that the qd ratio works more along the lines of a waterless wash than just a qd.

Exactly what I have found also. I us the QD ration for all three applications. I got 4L of ECO2o on sale, so I have no shortage of product to dilute. Ha.