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    New Test for Identifying Single-Stage vs Clear Coat in Less than 2 Seconds!

    Many of you have probably seen Mike Phillips article from way back at Meguiar's probably a decade and a half ago where he takes something like a white terry towel or a yellow foam applicator and puts some compound on it such as ScratchX (back in the day) and rubs a spot. If the towel turns the color of the car, you have single-stage paint... if not you have clear coated paint.

    Well, I came up with an entirely new test accidentally... thanks to some children. This was an accident like the discovery of gun powder, but here it goes.

    Background

    This happened way back in 2014...

    For detailing practice I have a test panel that I repaint time and again for practice. Normally, I paint it black, but I wanted to practice spraying silver in case I ever had to do a repair on my own car, so I painted it silver. When I went to clear it, my air compressor had died, so I never got to spray my 2K or 2-Pack clear. That said, I had several random 1K cans of U-POL clear, so I figured I would clear it with many coats of that then practice my wet sanding to remove orange-peal etc.

    I finished, and the panel looked like liquid glass only silver.


    Then the kids happened to take some dry erase markers and draw all over the test panel and the car, too. The car had completely factory 2-stage PPG paint.


    Long story short, if dry erase marker wipes off, you have 2-stage, chemically hardened paint, so here is the test:

    New Test for Identifying Single-Stage vs Clear Coat in Less than 2 Seconds!-dryerase-jpg



    It wipes off at least 20 times better than most dry erase boards. Don't know why dry erase board manufacturers don't just clear coat them with automotive paint!
    New Test for Identifying Single-Stage vs Clear Coat in Less than 2 Seconds!-img_5802-jpg




    Here is the rub... on Single-Stage or really any 1K type paint, the dry erase mark will not wipe off. It takes the same effort to remove as a water mark that has etched itself into the paint!

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    Re: New Test for Identifying Single-Stage vs Clear Coat in Less than 2 Seconds!

    Pretty cool. Thanks for sharing.

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    Re: New Test for Identifying Single-Stage vs Clear Coat in Less than 2 Seconds!

    IMO:
    -Experimenting/testing can often be a
    valuable tool for detailing operations.


    As to the SS vs. BC/CC Test in the OP:
    -Instead of adding any type of contaminates
    to vehicles that have been entrusted to my
    care (including my very own)...
    -For this type of paint-identification-testing I
    would much rather use the time immemorial
    method thatís so eloquently described in this
    Mike Phillipí article:

    How to Test for Single Stage or Clear Coat Paint



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    Re: New Test for Identifying Single-Stage vs Clear Coat in Less than 2 Seconds!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jbirk View Post

    Many of you have probably seen Mike Phillips article from way back at Meguiar's probably a decade and a half ago where he takes something like a white terry towel or a yellow foam applicator and puts some compound on it such as ScratchX (back in the day) and rubs a spot. If the towel turns the color of the car, you have single-stage paint... if not you have clear coated paint.

    Thanks for the reference, here's that original article that dates back to 2008, so as of the year I'm typing this, that would be 11 years ago.


    How To Test for a Clearcoat or Single Stage Paint Finish


    Even back then I was sharing the term, Special Interest Vehicle, of S.I.V. - A term I share and explain in all my detailing classes as it pertains to the type of detailing a person can do when detailing cars for money.

    How To Test for a Clearcoat or Single Stage Paint Finish


    And back then I was also regularly bringing in cool special interest cars for the general public to work on. Not sure if anyone at Meguiar's has continued that tradition? Pictures?


    Here's the car I worked to bring to Meguiar's to showcase Meguiar's products and of course, proper techniques for using Meguiar's products. No fake or mock-up detailing here.

    1956 Cadillac Eldorado Show Car Makeover




    Quote Originally Posted by FUNX650 View Post

    -For this type of paint-identification-testing I would much rather use the time immemorial method thatís so eloquently described in this Mike Phillipí article:

    How to Test for Single Stage or Clear Coat Paint

    Bob


    Thanks Bob!

    I practice giving due credit where credit is due and always appreciate it when others practice the same. So many Youtube expert detailers in the world now days.


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    Re: New Test for Identifying Single-Stage vs Clear Coat in Less than 2 Seconds!

    For anyone interested, great pictures documenting how we tackled the 1956 Cadillac Eldorado at Meguiar's in Irvine. Pictures still there after 11 years. No Photobucket for me.

    Me testing the paint on the Caddy....






    My Showcar Makeover Team hard at work - note all the Porter Cable Polishers and the HUGE or THICK foam pads? We've come a long way!




    Ahh.... the good old days....





    Will be doing some Roadshow Classes in SoCal this year, not at Meguiar's but in that area.



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    Re: New Test for Identifying Single-Stage vs Clear Coat in Less than 2 Seconds!

    Quote Originally Posted by FUNX650 View Post
    IMO:
    -Experimenting/testing can often be a
    valuable tool for detailing operations.


    As to the SS vs. BC/CC Test in the OP:
    -Instead of adding any type of contaminates
    to vehicles that have been entrusted to my
    care (including my very own)...
    -For this type of paint-identification-testing I
    would much rather use the time immemorial
    method thatís so eloquently described in this
    Mike Phillipí article:

    How to Test for Single Stage or Clear Coat Paint



    Bob
    Thatís not always easy to do on white vehicles... Thatís the 1st thing that came to mind with this new method.

    @Mike Phillips. Thatís a real nice car! Hey didnít you sort of hate how that strip of wall got in the way at the garage? Lol.

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    Re: New Test for Identifying Single-Stage vs Clear Coat in Less than 2 Seconds!

    Quote Originally Posted by Eldorado2k View Post
    Thatís not always easy to do on white vehicles...
    IMO:
    It really should be.

    TO WIT:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Phillips View Post
    How to Test for Single Stage or Clear Coat Paint


    If you're testing white paint then
    try to use a polish with a color to it and a dark
    colored cloth. The reason for this is so you can
    confirm that you're removing white paint and
    not just seeing the color of the polish or the cloth.

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    New Test for Identifying Single-Stage vs Clear Coat in Less than 2 Seconds!

    Quote Originally Posted by FUNX650 View Post
    IMO:
    It really should be.

    TO WIT:




    Bob
    Itís Still not easy. I tried using M100 [blue compound] with a dark blue microfiber applicator on my fathers white Toyota Tacoma and I still couldnít definitively tell whether it was single stage or not. Stop being stubborn, Iíve been through the hassle and this new trick is a good idea.

    @Bob. If you still disagree, go outside and test it out for yourself. And POST THE PICS.

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    Re: New Test for Identifying Single-Stage vs Clear Coat in Less than 2 Seconds!

    Quote Originally Posted by Eldorado2k View Post

    That’s not always easy to do on white vehicles... That’s the 1st thing that came to mind with this new method.
    I'm all for anything that works...



    Quote Originally Posted by Eldorado2k View Post

    @Mike Phillips. That’s a real nice car!
    Yeah it was cool. We didn't have the Scangrip lights back then to reveal swirls.


    Quote Originally Posted by Eldorado2k View Post

    Hey didn’t you sort of hate how that strip of wall got in the way at the garage? Lol.

    Yeah it's always in the way. That was a nice garage though for detailing classes. After they remodeled the training room it really helped with classes.


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    Re: New Test for Identifying Single-Stage vs Clear Coat in Less than 2 Seconds!

    Quote Originally Posted by Eldorado2k View Post
    Itís Still not easy.
    I tried using M100 [blue compound] with
    a dark blue microfiber applicator on my
    fathers white Toyota Tacoma and I still
    couldnít definitively tell whether it was
    single stage or not.

    @Bob. If you still disagree, go outside
    and test it out for yourself.
    And POST THE PICS.
    Oh I donít disagree that you couldnít definitely
    tell whether your Fatherís white Toyota Tacoma
    was SS, or not.

    ēOutside?
    -In this rainy/freezing rain/snowy weather?
    -Anyway...No need to:

    According to the paint codes that are found
    on their Service Parts Identification Stickers...
    all of my vehicles have BC/CC paint systems.



    Bob
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