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    Re: F11 - Love it, but is there a better choice

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    I've never used it before and I don't watch the videos for it on Facebook as they simply look like they are produced and targeted at the masses. Nothing wrong with this but I'm not part of the masses they are targeting.


    Here's what I like, it's one of my favorite products. It too is expensive but it's good.

    Pinnacle Black Label Diamond Surface Coating


    I had a Mercedes-Benz last week that I had to coat the hood after a clear bra was installed. (already did the rest of the car). I used the PBL Surface Coating as a secondary layer on the horizontal surfaces because it make the paint feel so slippery.

    When the car came back the owner showed me some "spotting" on the rear of the car. The "Spotting" would NOT rub off. I had to mechanically remove it using a polish. The spotting was a little bit of PBL Surface Coating overspray I had sprayed some onto the TOP of the trunk lid and some overspray drifted down on to the vertical panel.

    After machine polishing the coating off I then chemically stripped the paint and replaced the coating.

    What this showed me and the owner was how tough the PBL Surface Coating is.


    For what it's worth, I use the PBL Surface Coating on my wife's Honda H-RV. Been using it since we bought it. I frequently update this thread with pictures of water beading.


    KILLER CAR WASH - Wolfgang Uber SiO2 Coating Wash


    This is from last Saturday morning, see post #26






    The wash is the Wolfgang Uber SiO2 Coating Wash but the BASE product on the paint is the PBL Surface Coating.

    Good combo.


    Here's a thread dug up "today" for another thread where I used the PBL Surface Coating.


    OriginalBASECOAT/CLEARCOAT paint - 1996 Porsche 993




    Man that car looked incredible! Ty for the link!

    I'm not usually the type to fall for those products either, but the ads wore me down to be honest. If the product is expensive, but works, lasts and is a many use product, then I don;t mind spending the money when broken down on a per use basis. I cringe as I type this, but people will spend $20 plus to go through an automated car wash. Point is if you get say 10 uses out of a $100 bottle it comes down to $10 per use, I'm good with that as long as it is worth it.

    Saw that post on the SI02 wash and was wondering. I do use a foam cannon 1st to help remove excess dirt followed by a 2 bucket wash method on the black. Would you foam it with the SI02 and follow up with as well or is that just a waste and use my fav soap in the cannon and follow up with SI02 in the wash bucket?

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    Re: F11 - Love it, but is there a better choice

    SI02 finishes scare me to be honest. Especially to use on my show car. I know they produce a hard coating which is the factor to me that intrigues and scares me. Great for the fact that it creates a barrier on top of the paint, but scary because we do not know the long term effect since it is still "new". My Camaro is black with white stripes. The white stipes are a white base with snow white pearl sprayed over real rose lace. I am afraid that it could turn the white/pearl yellowish and have that effect that happens to the White pearl Cadillac. Not an issue if it comes off, but I have read wet sanding may be required. Not something I want to mess with as of yet

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    Re: F11 - Love it, but is there a better choice

    Polishing removes ceramic coatings, not sanding.
    2005 Dodge SRT4 400whp/480wtq | 2015 Nissan Frontier (daily driver) Both are corrected and coated with CQuartz UK 3.0 by me
    I detail out of my garage as a side job on the weekends and do about 6-8 cars per month.

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    Re: F11 - Love it, but is there a better choice

    Quote Originally Posted by pittpens24 View Post
    SI02 finishes scare me to be honest. Especially to use on my show car. I know they produce a hard coating which is the factor to me that intrigues and scares me. Great for the fact that it creates a barrier on top of the paint, but scary because we do not know the long term effect since it is still "new". My Camaro is black with white stripes. The white stipes are a white base with snow white pearl sprayed over real rose lace. I am afraid that it could turn the white/pearl yellowish and have that effect that happens to the White pearl Cadillac. Not an issue if it comes off, but I have read wet sanding may be required. Not something I want to mess with as of yet

    What is new, SIo2 or your paint?

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    Re: F11 - Love it, but is there a better choice

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    What is new, SIo2 or your paint?
    Paint is 2 years old but I was referring to SI02 coatings. Even places that offer it professionally are few and far between

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    Re: F11 - Love it, but is there a better choice

    That's no doubt because of the types of agreements pro detailers must agree to with companies that make such products. Usually I think it means ordering such and such amount within certain given periods of time. And there's other factors I believe. That would mean a detailer and/or shop would no doubt need a high volume of vehicles where some would opt for such coatings.

    That, and the high costs of having such coatings applied by a professional are prohibitive to some people.

    For the years I've been around here, and have seen the Ceramic-Quartz Coatings arrive, I've read countless posts about problems with them, but 99% of those problems were commonly user induced issues, not with the products themselves.

    With my use of products such as Carpro CQuartz, I've never seen issues such as yellowing, flaking, noticeable visual failure that the vehicle now looks like a total mess, that in retrospect the coating was a bad choice to take.

    They just gradually wear away over time and with washing, that they slowly lose their hydrophobicity, and mar-swirl resistance qualities. With my use and experience on my own vehicle, this took very close to around a 2 year period of time.

    Most say don't use coatings if you're the type of person that likes trying different products regularly because after a coating is applied, there's no need to then. Looking at coatings one way, they are relatively cheap in the long run, and save a lot of work for a vehicle owner, simplifying vehicle maintenance.

    After a coating is applied, like they say, it's like hitting a freeze frame on the paint, that's it. Unless you have money to toss to the wind and recoat like it's a wax, there's now no coming behind where you say to yourself "gee, I think I'll polish my trunk lid a little more, it's not looking as good as the rest of the car".

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    Re: F11 - Love it, but is there a better choice

    Someone's putting ALOT of money into advertising this F11, this I know! All I know about F11 is this, "F11 is no joke!".

    Try a gallon of Beadmaker and i say a gallon because it's that awesome and inexpensive, talk about something not being a joke, THIS is actually true hereF11 - Love it, but is there a better choice

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    Re: F11 - Love it, but is there a better choice

    As for a show vehicle that is not in any way a daily driver, then I'd say there's a lot of pros and cons to a paint coating IMO. Yes, paint is paint, but a show vehicle isn't being subjected to the rigors that a daily driver is for one.

    I'm of the camp that would agree with some of the show car owners I know, and how they feel, "less is better". One friend of mine with his show winning fully restored all black 1968 SS396 Chevy Chevelle basically does noting to his vehicle except hit it with a detailer spray prior to showing the vehicle. This vehicle is no longer driven on the street ever.

    The only "driving" that's done is putting it in, and taking it out of his $16K Enclosed Car Trailer to take to shows.

    The only damages I've seen that has occurred to his paint under very close scrutiny, is you might see a little teensy weensie sleek here and there, mostly where I seen it was on one of the front fenders, and that is no doubt caused by taking the car cover on and off since it was last painted. As everyone knows, on black paint you see everything! On any other color, such could never even be seen.

    Last time that car was in a shop for such work, re-spray-etc, I recall him saying they handed him a $40K Bill. Ouch! LOL Estimated value of this car he's told me, $120,000. He's got more trophies than Carter's got Pills!

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    Re: F11 - Love it, but is there a better choice

    Quote Originally Posted by pittpens24 View Post
    I am always trying new products...

    I've used almost everything available OTC
    for a maintainer with the best so far being
    Lucas Speedwax and Meguiar's Ultimate QD
    until I tried F11.


    F11 is glossier and much more slick
    than the other two...

    Obviously it is $$$, but works incredibly
    for what little knowledge I have.

    What I love about it is:
    The slickness it produces,

    dust doesn't stick to it so easily
    (godsend on black)

    Much better performance than the Lucas or
    Megs QD in the sense bugs and bird dropping
    practically wash off with a garden hose

    Deep Gloss

    Easy application

    Works wonders on plastic trim,
    tonneau cover and glass as well

    **The best thing is rain protection -
    repels road grime and splash up on the
    sides - looks like it was just washed after
    driven through the rain and dries on its
    own with no water spots or dirt.

    No other product has come close to that thus far.


    I know you professionals have tried it and I
    also know it is expensive and you are running
    a business so there are cheaper alternatives
    for clients,

    but I am looking for what you would put on
    your own car where true product performance
    is the end result.
    Find something you like and use it often

    IMO:
    You’ve taken one of my favorite Mike Phillips’
    adages to the next level; ie: Loving a product
    evokes way more passion than liking a product.

    With that in mind:
    Listing another ‘maintainer product’ that I believe
    to be either “a better choice”; or, that “I would put
    on my own car where true product performance is
    the end result”...would be a moot point.


    Quote Originally Posted by pittpens24 View Post
    I searched and found nothing about F11
    on here so what is the deal?
    I’m sure that by now you have the gist of this
    Forum’s intentions well in hand. Amiright?



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    Re: F11 - Love it, but is there a better choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Klasse Act View Post
    Someone's putting ALOT of money into advertising this F11, this I know! All I know about F11 is this, "F11 is no joke!".

    Try a gallon of Beadmaker and i say a gallon because it's that awesome and inexpensive, talk about something not being a joke, THIS is actually true hereF11 - Love it, but is there a better choice

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    Definitely will give beadmaker a try. Reaf great things about it

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