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    Re: Review: Solution Finish “Brings Black Back” (Trim Restoration Product)

    Quote Originally Posted by Royaldetail View Post
    Can I get A demo Kit
    That's all you have to say
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    Re: Review: Solution Finish “Brings Black Back” (Trim Restoration Product)

    Bob! Your always insightful comments and questions are once again appreciated! Thank you my friend. Please see my comments in red within your quote.

    I wasn't trying to speak for Chris but I did share my thoughts towards those questions as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by FUNX725 View Post
    No truer words were ever spoken!!!
    Excellent review, as always. Corey!

    -Just a few questions, though, if you don't mind Corey.
    (Some things that caught my interest, that's all. I believe that most of what follows may be best addressed by Mr. West for his commentary.)

    -And so that everyone will be assured...This is not a bashing of this product or any individual.


    1.)a. From: http://solutionfinish.com/about.php:

    Solution Finish is an incredible new product that restores originally black surfaces to a deep, rich black "wet look" shine that dries quickly with no greasy residue.

    1.)b. From AGO: Solution Finish Black Plastic & Vinyl Restorer, trim restorer, black plastic restorer

    Solution Finish by famed car fabricator and designer Rich Evans is an incredible new product that restores originally black surfaces to a deep, rich, black finish, without the "wet look."

    My thoughts:
    The: Without wet-look/To a Wet-look...May cause some confusion. IMO...Shouldn't this be addressed by the parties involved?

    I think it may be error on AG's part. They also recomend on the AG page to apply in shade which is not something that matters and in fact the sun or a warm surface can only help not hurt.

    Along with: (From the Q&A Section)

    Corey:7. I noticed in the AG store web page they say for best results apply to a cool surface in the shade. I know that is rather standard but I tested Solution Finish in the sun as well and found no visible ill effects. Does application in the sun not allow the surface to darken as much as it would or affect the durability in some way?

    Mr. West: Actually, Solution Finish likes a warmer surface rather than cold, so application in the sun only has a positive effect on the performance and durability. We have been told that in extreme cold conditions, let's say 40 degrees and below, it's not recommended to apply Solution Finish.

    My Comments:
    IMO...This issue needs to be addressed, also.

    See above

    2.)a. RE: Q&A session.

    -Durability: ["Restores vs. Permanency"...<<Note: My words]

    Corey:1. How many months can we expect from Solution Finish in average conditions?

    Mr. West: Well, believe it or not, the term "average conditions" is broader than you may think. The average conditions in California vary greatly from, let's say, North Carolina. But, without being coy, here's the answer to the question: An application of Solution Finish will last between 12-14 months. However, we've found that the average vehicle owner usually reapplies Solution Finish in 6-8 months just to freshen and keep it at optimum appearance.

    My Comments/Questions:
    -Everything seems to oxidize when exposed to our Suns different rays. Does this also apply to "Solution Finish"? -Will "Solution Finish" also outgas/degrade, as it were, being that it has penetrated 'plastics/vinyl', at a nano-scale?
    -Besides to: Freshen/optimum appearance...Are any of the above reasons I listed, or others, the cause for a reapplication within the 6-8 months time frame?

    My thoughts: Solution Finish stops the formation of peroxide gas oxidation but time and the environment combined with who knows what cleaners people use I assume will cause the plastic to lose some of its pop over time. If people use extremely acidic cleaners I believe that will harm the finish.

    2.)b.Testing:

    Corey asked:4.- Is Solution Finish particularly vulnerable to any specific types of cleaners people may want to avoid?

    Mr. West:We are continually testing in this area and to date have found that acetone and extreme de-greasers drastically affect Solution Finish's performance and durability. Not so much in California because of strict (green) regulations, but in many states car washes are allowed to use a foam pre-soak in drive-through and full service washes which has an acid-based composition that literally cleans by melting a layer of wax or clearcoat.

    My Comments/Questions:
    -Here lately...I seen many products introduced to the "detailing world" without being 'fully-tested'...
    -I realize that with new emerging technologies, everything-under-the-Sun can't always be tested against every product...But;

    -Every vehicle owner, along with those that details these vehicles (owners/detailers), maintains those vehicles differently.
    -As such: There has been no mention of how to maintain the plastics/vinyls once they have been treated with "Solution Finish".

    I read this a lot lately Bob. I expect manufacturers do not want to make things sound more compex when in fact they are making them less complex. I don't think any special care must be taken except for what Chris described.

    I believe that Q&A is exactly what you wanted to know as far as special care. Avoid Extreme degreasers, acetone, and extremaly acidic liquids. All the car washes we are using in our driveway are fine.

    As a general comment (non related to any one company) I think manufacturers are always looking to improve or learn more about their products capabilities but once they have something they consider performs above the level of current products on the market its time to release. Otherwise they would go out of business. However the innovators may never stop changing some formula even after they release a product since newer tech and observations can always be made.

    There is no such thing as perfect on our planet so something can always be improved in some way.

    Examples:
    a. Car wash sessions: Shampoos /water-spotting
    b. Detail sprays/detail waxes
    c. Waxes---can they be removed from "Solution Finish(ed)" plastics/vinyls? (Some of us may 'accidently' brush/touch a waxing applicator against black trim---smooth or textured)

    The first three I think you can treat just as you do now. No special care is needed, just treat it as you did before.

    d. Sealants and Coatings. Can they be applied atop "Solution Finish", with the attributes associated with Sealants/Coatings, being so manifested...Or not?
    -(If so, would the time frame (6-8 months) be extended, by, for example, the "durability of sealants'/coatings' time frames, before the need to: "freshen/keep at optimum appearance...would/should take place?

    Chris spoke with me about about this and you can certainly top SF. Of course he can't speak for how every product from another company works over his but I think we'll learn more about this in the future.

    For now I can say I'm personally testing coatings and sealants and will let you know how it goes with updates.


    -Sorry for this protracted reply...And I also apologize if some of these comments/questions of mine may have already been addressed.


    -Anyway:
    Thanks for allowing these musings of mine. Any additional information/comments will be appreciated.

    -Thanks again, Corey, for your time and efforts for this review.




    Bob
    Thanks again Bob! A pleasure as always.
    :dancebanana:

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    Re: Review: Solution Finish “Brings Black Back” (Trim Restoration Product)

    Quote Originally Posted by Twister View Post
    Nice review once again Corey and one I was really interested in seeing your thoughts on.

    What do you think the results will be of the part that had OC on it? How much product do you think you used on the whole van?
    Thanks Mark! I think on that test strip its interesting because I didn't make the SF bond completely before applying. On the other hand on the test section of my vehicle I let it bond completely and then even spray with IPA before applying OC (and others) In that case I think this may be a fine marriage. The SF shoudl be completely soaked in and part of the plastic and the OC should bond to the surface so I expect good results but I suppose I wouldnt be shocked if it didn't make a difference either.

    Not much! I used between 1/2 and 3/4 bottle on the entire review so I prolly used 1/4 of an ounce on the van. Maybe 1/3.

    Quote Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy View Post
    I gotta back you up a little...you say in your SF review, that UTTG and WETS improved on the durability of C4 alone...I must have missed this elsewhere, but by themselves, the durability of UTTG and WETS was inferior to C4 alone?
    I'll show you what I mean with a picture in my long overdue update at L2D in the next week or three. It made a huge difference on how much less the sides with UTTG and WGETS over the top of C4 were faded compared to C4 alone. That test did not have UTTG and WGETS by themsleves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Royaldetail View Post
    Can I get A demo Kit
    You can certainly purchase one... I believe AG is getting them, give them a call if they aren't in the store section.

    Quote Originally Posted by DARK HORSE View Post
    Wow Corey! I tried to think of something great to say, but all I can come up with is; phenomenal review as always!! I can't even imagine how much time, dedication, passion and attention to detail you put into these masterpieces. Thanks for all your dedication buddy!!!!
    TADMAN!!!!!!!!!!! Great to see you my friend and your feedback is always treasured.
    :dancebanana:

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    Re: Review: Solution Finish “Brings Black Back” (Trim Restoration Product)

    I think this is definitely one of your best reviews (of course they're all top notch!)! I kinda want this now but can't really justify it, especially since I have Meguiar's UP as well as a fair amount of UTTG to use up. I wish I could do reviews half as good as you. Keep up the good work Corey!



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    Another great review Corey. Looks very promising for sure.
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    Re: Review: Solution Finish “Brings Black Back” (Trim Restoration Product)

    Quote Originally Posted by FUNX725 View Post
    No truer words were ever spoken!!!
    Excellent review, as always. Corey!

    -Just a few questions, though, if you don't mind Corey.
    (Some things that caught my interest, that's all. I believe that most of what follows may be best addressed by Mr. West for his commentary.)

    -And so that everyone will be assured...This is not a bashing of this product or any individual.


    1.)a. From: http://solutionfinish.com/about.php:

    Solution Finish is an incredible new product that restores originally black surfaces to a deep, rich black "wet look" shine that dries quickly with no greasy residue.

    1.)b. From AGO: Solution Finish Black Plastic & Vinyl Restorer, trim restorer, black plastic restorer

    Solution Finish by famed car fabricator and designer Rich Evans is an incredible new product that restores originally black surfaces to a deep, rich, black finish, without the "wet look."

    My thoughts:
    The: Without wet-look/To a Wet-look...May cause some confusion. IMO...Shouldn't this be addressed by the parties involved?

    Along with: (From the Q&A Section)

    Corey:7. I noticed in the AG store web page they say for best results apply to a cool surface in the shade. I know that is rather standard but I tested Solution Finish in the sun as well and found no visible ill effects. Does application in the sun not allow the surface to darken as much as it would or affect the durability in some way?

    Mr. West: Actually, Solution Finish likes a warmer surface rather than cold, so application in the sun only has a positive effect on the performance and durability. We have been told that in extreme cold conditions, let's say 40 degrees and below, it's not recommended to apply Solution Finish.

    My Comments:
    IMO...This issue needs to be addressed, also.

    2.)a. RE: Q&A session.

    -Durability: ["Restores vs. Permanency"...<<Note: My words]

    Corey:1. How many months can we expect from Solution Finish in average conditions?

    Mr. West: Well, believe it or not, the term "average conditions" is broader than you may think. The average conditions in California vary greatly from, let's say, North Carolina. But, without being coy, here's the answer to the question: An application of Solution Finish will last between 12-14 months. However, we've found that the average vehicle owner usually reapplies Solution Finish in 6-8 months just to freshen and keep it at optimum appearance.

    My Comments/Questions:
    -Everything seems to oxidize when exposed to our Suns different rays. Does this also apply to "Solution Finish"? -Will "Solution Finish" also outgas/degrade, as it were, being that it has penetrated 'plastics/vinyl', at a nano-scale?
    -Besides to: Freshen/optimum appearance...Are any of the above reasons I listed, or others, the cause for a reapplication within the 6-8 months time frame?


    2.)b.Testing:

    Corey asked:4.- Is Solution Finish particularly vulnerable to any specific types of cleaners people may want to avoid?

    Mr. West:We are continually testing in this area and to date have found that acetone and extreme de-greasers drastically affect Solution Finish's performance and durability. Not so much in California because of strict (green) regulations, but in many states car washes are allowed to use a foam pre-soak in drive-through and full service washes which has an acid-based composition that literally cleans by melting a layer of wax or clearcoat.

    My Comments/Questions:
    -Here lately...I seen many products introduced to the "detailing world" without being 'fully-tested'...
    -I realize that with new emerging technologies, everything-under-the-Sun can't always be tested against every product...But;

    -Every vehicle owner, along with those that details these vehicles (owners/detailers), maintains those vehicles differently.
    -As such: There has been no mention of how to maintain the plastics/vinyls once they have been treated with "Solution Finish".

    Examples:
    a. Car wash sessions: Shampoos /water-spotting
    b. Detail sprays/detail waxes
    c. Waxes---can they be removed from "Solution Finish(ed)" plastics/vinyls? (Some of us may 'accidently' brush/touch a waxing applicator against black trim---smooth or textured)
    d. Sealants and Coatings. Can they be applied atop "Solution Finish", with the attributes associated with Sealants/Coatings, being so manifested...Or not?
    -(If so, would the time frame (6-8 months) be extended, by, for example, the "durability of sealants'/coatings' time frames, before the need to: "freshen/keep at optimum appearance...would/should take place?

    -Sorry for this protracted reply...And I also apologize if some of these comments/questions of mine may have already been addressed.


    -Anyway:
    Thanks for allowing these musings of mine. Any additional information/comments will be appreciated.

    -Thanks again, Corey, for your time and efforts for this review.




    Bob
    Hello Forum...and Bob I just dont have the time now, to really read all of he above....but I will and try to clear-up some of the Qs Bob has...I see what he means on some so tomorrow when I have time to look into it Ill post OK

    PS i really do love all of this input....iam not as smart as some people, so this helps me find out my flaws & stuff

    wish you all the best
    Cw

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    And this is just for Bob....how could you possibly know I was a IMO in high school. I was the deputy leader in France but we didn't win. (if your reading this and don't know what we are talking about IMO is International Mathematical Olympiad)

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    Re: Review: Solution Finish “Brings Black Back” (Trim Restoration Product)

    Quote Originally Posted by CEE DOG View Post
    Bob! Your always insightful comments and questions are once again appreciated! Thank you my friend. Please see my comments in red within your quote.

    I wasn't trying to speak for Chris but I did share my thoughts towards those questions as well.



    Thanks again Bob! A pleasure as always.
    Corey...Thanks for your kind words and responses.

    -I just have to pick out the response to this inquiry of mine, though. (I was referring to your original posting of "particulate-sizes")

    My question:
    d. Sealants and Coatings. Can they be applied atop "Solution Finish", with the attributes associated with Sealants/Coatings, being so manifested...Or not?
    -(If so, would the time frame (6-8 months) be extended, by, for example, the "durability of sealants'/coatings' time frames, before the need to: "freshen/keep at optimum appearance...would/should take place? though...About other products such as waxes/sealants follows:


    You responded:
    Chris spoke with me about about this and you can certainly top SF. Of course he can't speak for how every product from another company works over his but I think we'll learn more about this in the future.

    For now I can say I'm personally testing coatings and sealants and will let you know how it goes with updates.



    My Current Comments:

    Particulate-sizes: Could it be...My nano's are smaller than your nano's!


    IMO: This puts a whole new slant on the old saying:

    Size Matters!!! :D



    Thanks again Corey...(Mr West has stated his reply regarding my questions should be forthcoming tomorrow)




    Bob
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    [QUOTE=DARK HORSE;621032] That's all you have to say [/

    I have tried every DIY product out there and nothing works, I hope this will be the last one I use and keep around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolutionFinish View Post
    And this is just for Bob....how could you possibly know I was a IMO in high school. I was the deputy leader in France but we didn't win. (if your reading this and don't know what we are talking about IMO is International Mathematical Olympiad)
    ^^^^Good one, Sir.^^^

    From my posting:

    "My Comments:
    IMO...This issue needs to be addressed, also."


    I'll have to remember, when in discussions with you, Mr. West, to use the following acronyms/forums-speak:

    IME; or,
    IMHO; or, even:
    IMSOEXCITED! ~ Pointer Sisters :D


    {BTW: Even though the Wife was born in France...I've taught her: The "Appalachian-Way of Life"...(Involves a different drawl, so to speak.)}



    Bob
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