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    Re: Review and Extreme Testing: Opti-Coat 2.0 and CQuartz

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike.Phillips@Autogeek View Post
    ...as long as you're building that into the price of your work it shouldn't be an issue.
    This is where a lot of people fail. I constantly read about materials costing too much and people wanting cheaper alternatives even if the performance is sacrificed. I know most people have to work on a budget, but as long as you work the material into the price of the detail then it shouldn't matter. If people would stop being greedy, explain the difference in the products, and explain that the better product will outperform, I think the customer/client will be happier. I mean that's what we do this for, right? To make sure the customer is happy, long term.

    Sorry Corey, Mike just made some good points!
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    Re: Review and Extreme Testing: Opti-Coat 2.0 and CQuartz

    Quote Originally Posted by Avi@CarPro View Post

    we dont call our coat "permanent coat" since nothing in life is permanent!

    if coating can be removed by chemicals or abrasion it means its not permanent.
    Thanks for chiming in and adding the above Avi...

    Sometimes people's expectations exceed what the manufacture claims and what technology is capable...

    On forums, because they are so dependent upon using the right word to convey a message, it's important to to choose your words carefully. I recently wrote a short article to add a new category to the two categories already historically accepted in the car detailing world and in it I used the words Semi-Permanent and Permanent for the title of this new category.

    3-Categories: Waxes, Paint Sealants and Coatings


    I also took liberty to define the word permanent in the context of automotive waxes, paint sealants and coatings.



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    Re: Review and Extreme Testing: Opti-Coat 2.0 and CQuartz

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    Sorry Corey, Mike just made some good points!
    Huh?

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    Re: Review and Extreme Testing: Opti-Coat 2.0 and CQuartz

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Orosco View Post
    I originally started spraying both Opti-Seal and Opti-Coat some time ago, along with tire and interior dressings, to see how they performed and set up.

    If you're familiar with airbrushes then you can use them (double action preferred) to apply Opti-Seal on the surface of a car rather quickly and since it's double action, meaning when you press down on the trigger only air comes out, you can spray the Opti-Seal and afterwards blow air across the surface to evaporate remaining product.

    My thoughts for doing this were if I can get away with laying down 100% of the product this means more actives are getting to the surface and little to nothing is being wiped off hence I should be left with greater performance from the product.

    Downside is you'll use more product.

    So if Opti-Seal can be layed down in this manner then Opti-Coat should work fine also, Dr. G confirmed this so I set about using various spray guns, from mini-HVLP guns to fan tipped airbrushes. I have several mini-guns from Iwata and Asturo and they are excellent guns, pricey, but worth it. These mini-guns work great for application of the Opti-Coat but again the downside is more product is being used, about one syringe for 2 Porsche 911 sized vehicles. This includes all paint, wheels and lights. Maybe some extra left over.

    An airbrush will atomize the product to a very fine mist so I recommend a larger needle (.3 or .5) with a fan tip, so not a true airbrush but an airbrush gun more so.

    The key advantage is more product on your surface and if sprayed properly very little to knock down in terms of high spots.

    I will post up pictures and a video of me applying this to a car when I get the time.

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    Thanks for posting that, Anthony. Sounds like you've been successfully doing exactly what I was envisioning. Hadn't thought about applying even Opti-Seal that way, but it certainly makes sense and is something I will definitely give a try.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike.Phillips@Autogeek View Post
    I watched Anthony spraying Opti-Seal at his shop when I was down there for the GTG last summer and the first thing I thought as I watched him spraying the product was that he's really laying down a "layer" of protection.

    It was impressive. My second thought was with this type of application you're going to use more product, as long as you're building that into the price of your work it shouldn't be an issue.

    And my third thought on this technique is that after you do the correction and polishing steps, and then prep the surface for the coating, if you can do all of these steps and end up with a defect-free finish, then by spraying the coating on you reduce the potential to re-inflict any type of marring because nothing is touching the paint.

    No hand rubbing an applicator over the paint, no machine spinning a pad over the paint... just air pressure.


    Talk about non-invasive...


    Quote Originally Posted by rwright View Post
    This is where a lot of people fail. I constantly read about materials costing too much and people wanting cheaper alternatives even if the performance is sacrificed. I know most people have to work on a budget, but as long as you work the material into the price of the detail then it shouldn't matter. If people would stop being greedy, explain the difference in the products, and explain that the better product will outperform, I think the customer/client will be happier. I mean that's what we do this for, right? To make sure the customer is happy, long term.

    Sorry Corey, Mike just made some good points!
    With both of you guys. I like the idea of the hands-off approach as Mike mentions, as well as the fact that by spraying on an atomized coating it allows a much more even application (with proper technique, that is).

    As far as pricing, that seems to be a very common complaint that is understandable for the enthusiast who is working on his or her own cars, but for professionals who are running a business and working on customer vehicles, it's a senseless thing to complain about in my opinion.

    When you're providing a premium quality service, investing in and using premium quality products is a cost of doing business. That's all there is to it. If you're not factoring this into your overhead and accounting for it in your pricing, you're doing it wrong. Especially when you consider that in this industry the cost of product is proportionally miniscule as compared to the cost of labor on a per-car basis -- even when you're using the most top-shelf products.
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    Re: Review and Extreme Testing: Opti-Coat 2.0 and CQuartz

    Quote Originally Posted by Shiny Lil Detlr View Post
    Thanks for posting that, Anthony. Sounds like you've been successfully doing exactly what I was envisioning. Hadn't thought about applying even Opti-Seal that way, but it certainly makes sense and is something I will definitely give a try.





    With both of you guys. I like the idea of the hands-off approach as Mike mentions, as well as the fact that by spraying on an atomized coating it allows a much more even application (with proper technique, that is).

    As far as pricing, that seems to be a very common complaint that is understandable for the enthusiast who is working on his or her own cars, but for professionals who are running a business and working on customer vehicles, it's a senseless thing to complain about in my opinion.

    When you're providing a premium quality service, investing in and using premium quality products is a cost of doing business. That's all there is to it. If you're not factoring this into your overhead and accounting for it in your pricing, you're doing it wrong. Especially when you consider that in this industry the cost of product is proportionally miniscule as compared to the cost of labor on a per-car basis -- even when you're using the most top-shelf products.
    Well said Charley! Business 101 in action!
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    Re: Review and Extreme Testing: Opti-Coat 2.0 and CQuartz

    Corey,

    You have a long history of doing some of the best product reviews, but this one takes the cake. My hat's off to you my friend!!!

    I have been wanting to see a review with these 2 products side by side and you really did it justice.

    Thanks for taking the time, not only to test the products, but also for posting it for all of us to learn from.

    Thanks again Corey!!
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    Re: Review and Extreme Testing: Opti-Coat 2.0 and CQuartz

    Corey,

    This is very impressive. Needless to say I think this thread will become the go-to source of information for both coatings.

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    Re: Review and Extreme Testing: Opti-Coat 2.0 and CQuartz

    Quote Originally Posted by bmw5541 View Post
    Corey,

    You have a long history of doing some of the best product reviews, but this one takes the cake. My hat's off to you my friend!!!

    I have been wanting to see a review with these 2 products side by side and you really did it justice.

    Thanks for taking the time, not only to test the products, but also for posting it for all of us to learn from.

    Thanks again Corey!!
    Thank you Barry! I appreciate that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Munich77 View Post
    Corey,

    This is very impressive. Needless to say I think this thread will become the go-to source of information for both coatings.
    Thank you Munich!

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    Re: Review and Extreme Testing: Opti-Coat 2.0 and CQuartz

    Thought I'd pass on a bit more info. It's actually repetitive as it has already been supplied by Chris and Avi but I wanted that info to be available in this thread as well in case somebody reads this some time in the future and hasn't seen these bits of info by Avi or Chris elsewhere.

    Opticoat application video supplied by Chris Thomas of Optimum. This is the way Chris recommends applying Opticoat.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3UwcGhrfqk&feature=youtube_gdata_player]YouTube - OptiCoatApp.AVI[/video]

    ------------------------------------------

    Also, i didnt take a video but I used Cquartz again today. This time on the roof of my sister in laws Taurus. This time I used the applicators recommended and supplied by car pro in the Cquartz kit. I wrapped the applicator block with one of the supplied felt suede towels that were also supplied and I really liked the way it worked.

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    Re: Review and Extreme Testing: Opti-Coat 2.0 and CQuartz

    Thanks for sharing Corey/Chris.


    I still need to load up and edit my videos. It would be nice to see one done on a black car because I find I have to level off the high spots with a towel one each section within the first 20-45 seconds, otherwise the towel gets grabby. (Using Opti-Guard)
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