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    Re: Turtle Wax Hybrid Spray Coating - Are the reviews misleading?

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    Is the Hybrid Solutions ceramic coating glossier than the TW Spray n Seal?
    The reviews I've seen say no. Also don't forget there's a new TW Ice SnS now tooTurtle Wax Hybrid Spray Coating - Are the reviews misleading?Turtle Wax Hybrid Spray Coating - Are the reviews misleading?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZpolisher15 View Post
    Is the Hybrid Solutions ceramic coating glossier than the TW Spray n Seal?
    This is directly from TW's FB page.

    "We know y’all have questions about the updated SNS, and the biggest question we are getting is about the difference between SNS and Hybrid Solutions Ceramic Spray Coating.

    Guys, it all comes down to the application factor - instant cure with SNS vs. a 24 hour cure time with Ceramic Spray Coating. That being said, while SNS gives you some INSANE durability as a paint sealant, when you properly apply 2 coats of Ceramic Spray Coating onto a prepped car, you can get almost a YEAR of protection - which is longer than what you can expect from SNS. AND as our friend Pan TheOrganizer says, Ceramic Spray Coating has “THE GLOSS, THE GLOSS, THE GLOSS.” For increased gloss with SNS, pick up some ICE Spray Wax as a topper.

    At the end of the day, everyone loves having options so our R&D team is continuously improving and reformulating products to fit your detailing needs."

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    1) Based on what I hear and what I see from TW Ceramic Spray Coating with my own eyes, I assume Ceramic Spray Coating is glossier that SNS. SNS seems more like a Meg’s Fast Finish to me... good protection and durability and ease of application, but probably not going to blow you away with looks or self-cleaning.

    2) Wow, this thing with Pan’s “review” just got out-of-control-silly when TW themselves reference such a corny statement. That’s pretty bad from both sides, LOL!
    I’m almost expecting to see an infomercial for TW ceramics at 2am with Pan wearing a ninja turtles’ shell on his back, yelling “THE GLOSS, THE GLOSS, THE GLOSS!”

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    Again, I have been using the coating and wet wax all summer. Stellar results. Easy application on both products. And the gloss is insane.
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    I've used SNS. Holds up extremely well. Easy to use too. Honestly, unless you're going for a true ceramic coating, I see no reason to use most of the higher end brands now that TW/Meguiar's and Griot's are offering such great products.

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    Re: Turtle Wax Hybrid Spray Coating - Are the reviews misleading?

    In terms of compounding and not needing to compound, a chemical break down of the item in comparison might give some hints and be revealing.

    Turtle Wax Hybrid Spray Coating uses IPA as the only solvent in the product.
    By comparison, Reload has two different kinds of siloxane, naptha, methanol, benzyl benzoate, 1-2-4 Trimethylbenzene, as well as Orange Oil.
    Meguiar's Ceramic Spray Wax uses ethoxylated C12-16 Alcohols, which is used as an emulsion for water and an oily substance to combine them together effectively.

    Compared to Cquartz UK, it's main solvents are Nonane, naptha, methanol and Trimethylbenzen and it contains multiple forms of organic siloxane.
    Compare that to GTechniq Crystal Serum (Pro version) It uses a proprietery hydrotreated light distillate, which is essentially a petroleum distillate as the solvent in it. Does a similar job to the methanol, naptha, nonane, methanol and trimethylbenzene as Cquartz UK. All very strong solvents, hence the jet fuel smell when you open the bottle.

    In comparison to two similar products as well as two true coatings, Turtle Wax Hybrid Spray Coating does not contain a high enough percentage of ceramic anything.

    To give an example of a more "green" and "solvent free" product, IGL Kenzo contains smoothing agents at the very least in the form of Triethoxy-n-octylsilane and 3-Glycidyloxypropyltrimethoxysilane as a bonding agent.

    The Hybrid Spray Coating, judging by it's chemical solvents, lacks anything that is used as a bonding agent for true ceramic (whether SiO2 or SiC) coverage. It is most likely, made up of very strong polymers with a small amount of SiO2 that relies on the polymer of choice to crosslink and bond to the paint itself. This is kind of revealed to be most likely as they state that two applications will leave you a longer period of protection. That is only likely if no strong solvents are involved. Essentially, they are using a kind of polymer that does not require a smoothing agent or a bonding agent directly to bond onto paint, especially by their choice of carrier solvent as IPA.

    In comparison to their ICE Spray Wax, it's water, Polydimethylsiloxane and Carnauba in emulsion form (already mixed with smoothing agents and solvents).
    For seal and shine, they use polydimethylsiloxane and aocohol ethoxylates as the solvent/smoothing agent.

    Chemically, the two are different in the sense (it seems from the chemicals used) that the polymers in Ceramic Spray Coating has a very low percentage of actual ceramic molecules involved, and needs a curing time due to the crosslinking effects of those polymers.
    Seal N Shine has a strong solvent that deposits the PDMS onto the surface. PDMS doesn't really require curing time, it's just on or not.

    Judging from that, I wouldn't call this a coating at all but a very economical but effective sealant.
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    An amazing break down here ^^^^Turtle Wax Hybrid Spray Coating - Are the reviews misleading?Turtle Wax Hybrid Spray Coating - Are the reviews misleading?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillSports3 View Post
    In terms of compounding and not needing to compound, a chemical break down of the item in comparison might give some hints and be revealing.

    Turtle Wax Hybrid Spray Coating uses IPA as the only solvent in the product.
    By comparison, Reload has two different kinds of siloxane, naptha, methanol, benzyl benzoate, 1-2-4 Trimethylbenzene, as well as Orange Oil.
    Meguiar's Ceramic Spray Wax uses ethoxylated C12-16 Alcohols, which is used as an emulsion for water and an oily substance to combine them together effectively.

    Compared to Cquartz UK, it's main solvents are Nonane, naptha, methanol and Trimethylbenzen and it contains multiple forms of organic siloxane.
    Compare that to GTechniq Crystal Serum (Pro version) It uses a proprietery hydrotreated light distillate, which is essentially a petroleum distillate as the solvent in it. Does a similar job to the methanol, naptha, nonane, methanol and trimethylbenzene as Cquartz UK. All very strong solvents, hence the jet fuel smell when you open the bottle.

    In comparison to two similar products as well as two true coatings, Turtle Wax Hybrid Spray Coating does not contain a high enough percentage of ceramic anything.

    To give an example of a more "green" and "solvent free" product, IGL Kenzo contains smoothing agents at the very least in the form of Triethoxy-n-octylsilane and 3-Glycidyloxypropyltrimethoxysilane as a bonding agent.

    The Hybrid Spray Coating, judging by it's chemical solvents, lacks anything that is used as a bonding agent for true ceramic (whether SiO2 or SiC) coverage. It is most likely, made up of very strong polymers with a small amount of SiO2 that relies on the polymer of choice to crosslink and bond to the paint itself. This is kind of revealed to be most likely as they state that two applications will leave you a longer period of protection. That is only likely if no strong solvents are involved. Essentially, they are using a kind of polymer that does not require a smoothing agent or a bonding agent directly to bond onto paint, especially by their choice of carrier solvent as IPA.

    In comparison to their ICE Spray Wax, it's water, Polydimethylsiloxane and Carnauba in emulsion form (already mixed with smoothing agents and solvents).
    For seal and shine, they use polydimethylsiloxane and aocohol ethoxylates as the solvent/smoothing agent.

    Chemically, the two are different in the sense (it seems from the chemicals used) that the polymers in Ceramic Spray Coating has a very low percentage of actual ceramic molecules involved, and needs a curing time due to the crosslinking effects of those polymers.
    Seal N Shine has a strong solvent that deposits the PDMS onto the surface. PDMS doesn't really require curing time, it's just on or not.

    Judging from that, I wouldn't call this a coating at all but a very economical but effective sealant.

    Great post. Thank you.

    It's what I would expect, from a chemistry perspective, between the two brands. The shelf brands, such as TW, are economical and if properly used can give you several months of protection. For longer durability, the Cquartz and IGL would be the way to go.

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    Pretty much. Biggest difference between "spray coatings" and "true coatings" is actually the liquid bonding agent and carrier solvent. The bonding agent and carrier solvent needs to be strong enough to hold whatever protection agent they use soluble such as SiO2, SiC, PDMS, whatever, all mixed together. And they need to in the liquid form, enable the protection agent to bond onto the paint as well as completely evaporate into the air at the same time. Very expensive mixtures. The cost that you're really paying for isn't the SiO2. SiO2 is cheap, if you were to take let's say Cquartz finest, the TiO and the SiO2 is probably like.. 10 percent of the actual cost. The rest of it is the bonding agent and carrier agent (Solvent). It's why the "true coatings" will always be more expensive than the spray coatings. Also why spray coatings don't last as long. To make a spray coating last for 2 or 3 years, well, imagine paying 200-300 dollars for CanCoat. :shrug:
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    WillSports3 is awesome with his breakdowns. I’m very appreciative. Your input in these things is even better than Pan’s (“THE GLOSS, THE GLOSS, THE GLOSS!!!”).

    What would SiC be called in language form, like in the way SiO2 is silica (silicon dioxide being the full name for the chemical). Is SiC in anyway related to siloxane?

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