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    Generic Paint (Clearcoat) Hardness

    Here is my small collection, hope this helps



    Soft Paint
    Intermediate Paint
    Hard Paint
    Alfa Romeo
    Aston Martin
    Audi
    Daewoo
    Bentley
    BMW
    Ferrari (up to 2005)
    Citroen
    Lamborghini
    Fiat
    Ferrari (2005 onwards)
    Mercedes Benz
    Honda
    Ford
    Mini
    Lexus
    Jaguar
    Porsche (up to 1998)
    Mazda
    Jeep
    Subaru (up to 2001)
    Mitsubishi
    Land Rover
    TVR
    Nissan
    Lotus
    Volkswagen
    Suzuki
    Maserati
    Toyota
    Peugeot
    Vauxhall (up to 1998)(EU Opel)
    Porsche (1998 onwards)
    Renault
    Rolls Royce
    Saab
    Seat
    Skoda
    Subaru (2001 onwards)
    Volvo


    *i tried to post it on an already open sticky thread but couldnt make it as i wanted to, so i created this new thread
    **this guide is generic and is about only factory paint

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    Re: Generic Paint (Clearcoat) Hardness

    Thank you very much, very convenient selection!

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    Re: Generic Paint (Clearcoat) Hardness

    Thank you Reno for putting this chart together.

    This is a good starting point for people new to machine polishing, or hand polishing.

    Besides taking the different manufacturer's in the different categories, because paint can and do change as technology changes, we all still need to do a Test Spot for a final determination on paint hardness or paint softness plus to dial-in a process for the car in front of us.


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    Re: Generic Paint (Clearcoat) Hardness

    This is a handy chart. The only place I disagree with you is on a Porsche Cayanne. Not sure if it is because the vehicle rolls out of the same VW plant as the Tuareg and the Audi Q7, but the black metallic paint is harder than anything I've ever worked...to include a black metallic VW GTI I owned recently.

    Not sure if it is due to the SUV's possibly being built in the same plants as other VAG vehicles whereas the cars are built in their own plant(s).
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    Re: Generic Paint (Clearcoat) Hardness

    Quote Originally Posted by Desertnate View Post
    This is a handy chart. The only place I disagree with you is on a Porsche Cayanne. Not sure if it is because the vehicle rolls out of the same VW plant as the Tuareg and the Audi Q7, but the black metallic paint is harder than anything I've ever worked...to include a black metallic VW GTI I owned recently.

    Not sure if it is due to the SUV's possibly being built in the same plants as other VAG vehicles whereas the cars are built in their own plant(s).
    I've heard the solid black is soft and the metallic black is hard. I can only say that the Jet Black Metallic on my brother's Macan is pretty hard.
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    Re: Generic Paint (Clearcoat) Hardness

    I'm not sure if this is totally accurate but I was told that GM rotates paint suppliers throughout the year. So the manufacturer of the base and clear can be different quarter to quarter. I'm not sure if that's the case with other manufacturers or not.

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    Re: Generic Paint (Clearcoat) Hardness

    I'm not sure of paint suppliers being different, but I've also heard the paint can differ within a brand based on the country where it was built. The paint used by BMW in their South African plant might be different what is used in the plant in South Carolina and different yet again from any of their European plants. No way of knowing for sure though...

    Globalization of the industry and factoring in third party assemblers like Magna Steyr make it complicated...thus the wisdom of the test spot.
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    Re: Generic Paint (Clearcoat) Hardness

    Thank you for taking the time to put this chart together and post it up!
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    Re: Generic Paint (Clearcoat) Hardness

    Quote Originally Posted by DUBL0WS6 View Post
    I'm not sure if this is totally accurate but I was told that GM rotates paint suppliers throughout the year. So the manufacturer of the base and clear can be different quarter to quarter.
    GM uses PPG or Axalta (formerly DuPont). Sourcing is handled by the assembly plant itself. While a supplier might not be given the contract for the entire life of a vehicle, there typically is not a lot of frequent changing as paints are often formulated for the plant's specific type of paint system .

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    Re: Generic Paint (Clearcoat) Hardness

    The person who told me this mentioned PPG and Axalta as GM suppliers.

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