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Rupes LK 900E Mille & LH 19E
Good News!
I have been informed that both my Mille DLX and LH19E STN kits have been shipped after a lengthy wait and having paid for them in July already. I can’t wait to put them to the test individually and against all my other polishers. Also, I have already used Rupes new MF and Wool pads but will reserve judgement till I try them out on these new polishers.
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Review please and PICS....
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atgonzales
Review please and PICS....
I will do so but please allow a week for delivery and another week to test on a variety of paints so as to conclude with facts and accuracy. I will also be comparing Rupes Blue and Yellow compounds of which there are three different types now, long throw Zephir Blue, Keramik Yellow, Mille Blue Coarse, Yellow Fine Compound, Rotary Coarse and Fine Compounds across all polishers. Yes will compare the new foam,mf and wool pads and try them across the different Rupes polishers too.
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Cool, both these machines have me interested...
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DaveT435
Cool, both these machines have me interested...
Global demand for both has exceeded expectations and they selling faster than they can make them. Everyone is either out of stock or awaiting stock with waiting lists well into 2018. This is from a few retailers based on preorders.
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Ronin47
Global demand for both has exceeded expectations and they selling faster than they can make them. Everyone is either out of stock or awaiting stock with waiting lists well into 2018. This is from a few retailers based on preorders.
Wow, Obviously it will be 2018 before I see them. Good thing it's a want not a need lol
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Quick update, first impressions of the Mille and LH19E are very positive.
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Very interested in the Mille compared to the 3401. Any comparison likely?
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brettS4
Very interested in the Mille compared to the 3401. Any comparison likely?
I have 2 x 3401’s with all bp options, tested against Mille with just the 5” bp as its a real pain to swop bp’s, 6 screws and aligning the gasket is no quick task. To swop bp’s on the 3401 is quick and easy, on the Mille its like they want you to keep the 5” on which I actually prefer anyways and will keep the 6” in the box.
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I'd keep the 5" BP on the Mille too, but it's good to know the difference in the machines.
How about ergonomics, balance, smoothness and power compared to 3401?
And is the Mille compatible with LC, B&S or Griots pads?
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Originally Posted by
brettS4
I'd keep the 5" BP on the Mille too, but it's good to know the difference in the machines.
How about ergonomics, balance, smoothness and power compared to 3401?
And is the Mille compatible with LC, B&S or Griots pads?
Good questions and I can only answer as honestly or truthfully with the limited time I have spent with it so my evaluation thus far is based on limited experience with it. I will have the machines up against each other on hard paint in a couple of hours but for now I will comment on correction done on soft to medium paints.
From the first time you hold the Mille in your hands to the first time you power it up and do your first section pass you begin to realise alot of thought, engineering and attention to detail has gone into making this polisher. It feels lighter than the 3401, as well as more balanced. Even the speed dial has an expensive feel and click to the different speed settings. The polisher is noticeably quieter and much cooler running than the 3401. Using the 3401 and Mille side by side you can feel the difference in vibration when going back to the 3401. The Mille doesn’t wobble as such and feels very well thought out, sophisticated and much newer.
Throughout the speed settings you can see it has more rpm at every setting and doesn’t walk nearly as much as the 3401 either. However if the pads not perfectly centred I found the Mille to be a handful to control so much so that I had to switch off and figure out why that happened. I have used many types of non Rupes pads on it as I have alot of them and donot intend investing in all new pads specefic to the Mille anytime soon. Having said that I find the intended Rupes pads or thinner pads to feel more natural which is the opposite of what we are led to believe gear driven polishers prefer.
Yes its sleeker,fancier than the ageing 3401 ofcourse, yes its smoother, quieter, and runs a heck of alot cooler too but bare in mind theres a decade technology difference between them, 2007 3401 vs 2017 Mille, was never gona be a fair fight at all.
Lastly correction..., the Mille is definitely the more powerful tool and faster correcting of the two, theres no second guessing that, it is what it is. I had to drop to speed 3 on the Mille where the Flex needed speed 5 and then too the Mille still had the edge. I used the same pads and compounds to keep things fair and at one point even put the more aggressive pad on the 3401 and then too the Mille was still correcting faster.
I hope this answers your question, also I will update again soon on hard paints and then know for certain.
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That's a huge help! Yes, it's not fair to put a new model up against a 10 year old design. But FLEX has nobody to blame but themselves. They started to talk up their XCE two years ago but even if they released it today they'd still be in second place.
Looks like I'll be saving up for a Mille. I'll be able to afford one about the same time they're readily available. My only concern is how well it might cooperate with ThinPro or Boss pads.
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Ronin47
... Rupes Blue and Yellow compounds of which there are three different types now, long throw Zephir Blue, Keramik Yellow, Mille Blue Coarse, Yellow Fine Compound, Rotary Coarse and Fine Compounds across all polishers.
Geez, they hire Menzerna's marketing dept or something?
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brettS4
.......They started to talk up their XCE two years ago but even if they released it today they'd still be in second place.......
May I ask how you come to that conclusion? Considering that the XCE has been talked about ONLY, unless you have actually been able to use the Mille and the rumored XCE, this statement is noting more than speculation.
The Makinta PO5000C was supposed to put the XC 3401 into the history books. It was supposed to be much faster at correcting paint, much smoother, and was dual mode (free rotation and geared rotation). When the machine actually arrived, the free rotation mode was found to be not very useful. It was smoother, but it corrected paint only marginally faster. In return, you had a machine that was somewhat faster, but not significantly so (it would take the XC3401 one section pass more to get the same correction), when the pads and compounds were identical, on identical panel surfaces). When it was announced, it spun in the same direction as a rotary; when the polisher actually arrived, it didn't; it spun in the same direction as the XC3401. All this is to say, that what you end up in your hands may not always be what is "said" or :rumored" to be the case, isn't. Having said all of that, please let us all know how you came to the conclusion that a polisher that as of yet, only exists as either a prototype, or in a lab in Germany, will be better or worse than any existing polisher (XC3401, PO500C, Mille, or any other geared rotation polisher)? Or is this just the "its a Rupes, so it is better than everything else" sort of statement?
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Originally Posted by
kkritsilas
May I ask how you come to that conclusion? Considering that the XCE has been talked about ONLY, unless you have actually been able to use the Mille and the rumored XCE, this statement is noting more than spectualtion.
The Makinta PO5000C was supposed to put the XC 3401 into the history books. It was supposed to be much faster at correcting paint, much smoother, and was dual mode (free rotation and geared rotation). When the machine actually arrived, the free rotation mode was found to be not very useful. It was smoother, but it corrected paint only marginally faster. In return, you had a machine that was somewhat faster, but not significantly so (it would take the XC3401 one section pass more to get the same correction, when the pads and compounds were identical, on identical panel surfaces). When it was announced, it spun in the same direction as a rootary; when the polisher actually arrived, it didn't; it spun in the same direction as the XC340. All this is to say, that what you end up in your hands may not always be what is "said" or :rumored" to be the case, isn't. Having said all of that, please let us all know how you came to the conclusion that a polisher that as of yet, only exists as either a prototype, or in a lab in Germany, will be better or worse than any existing polisher (XC3401, PO500C, Mille, or any other geared rotation polisher)? Or is this just the "its a Rupes, so it is better than everything else" sort of statement?
the flex has been around a long time and for good reason. it's built like a tank (versatile with different backing plates as well) and it's proven itself for many years. there's going to be different opinions about any machine and it comes down to the user finding what they may or may not like about it, as you mentioned with the makita which was/is suppose to be better...
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VISITOR
the flex has been around a long time and for good reason. it's built like a tank (versatile with different backing plates as well) and it's proven itself for many years. there's going to be different opinions about any machine and it comes down to the user finding what they may or may not like about it, as you mentioned with the makita which was/is suppose to be better...
Makita is better than the 3401 side by side A no brainer if you dont already own a forced...just questionable upgrade worthy if you already own 3401.
Mille will be same as makita..no brainer if you dont already have a forced..questionable upgrade if you do.
The questions that has yet to be answered are which is better the po5000c or mille?
If xce debuts for a 3rd time at SEMA, how different willl the specs be now due to the release of these 2 machines. Will flex reclaim the forced crown?
Ps i tested the XCE prototype...was essentialy just a 3401 in a xfe7 15 body..
Renny Doyle said the XCE will be evolving a tad from the unit I used like 2 years ago
He also stated their may be a seperate tool launched also
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Mike@ShineStruck
Makita is better than the 3401 side by side A no brainer if you dont already own a forced...just questionable upgrade worthy if you already own 3401.
Mille will be same as makita..no brainer if you dont already have a forced..questionable upgrade if you do.
The questions that has yet to be answered are which is better the po5000c or mille?
If xce debuts for a 3rd time at SEMA, how different willl the specs be now due to the release of these 2 machines. Will flex reclaim the forced crown?
Ps i tested the XCE prototype...was essentialy just a 3401 in a xfe7 15 body..
Renny Doyle said the XCE will be evolving a tad from the unit I used like 2 years ago
He also stated their may be a seperate tool launched also
i've had the flex since it was first introduced back in 07'-08' and don't plan on giving it up anytime soon. if the mille is essentially the same as the po5000c then the question to whom ever wants to buy one is which one should i choose. the mille is probably going to be more ($150+ more/$500 msrp?) which to some isn't worth it especially since the po5000c can switch to free spinning mode if once wants that extra feature that the mille doesn't have. no right or wrong choice, just personal preference. what might be right for some may not be for others...
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BudgetPlan1
Geez, they hire Menzerna's marketing dept or something?
I understand that Rupes keeps punting a system approach which makes financial sense to them but I must admit I get better results venturing out of their pad/polish system. I also understand their polishes are designed and suited for their respective long throw, gear driven, rotary applications which to me again is just too niche and a marketing and corporate decision. I for one won’t buy different polishes for different machines it just doesn’t work that way in the real world. I need a polish that works on all my machines. Having said that, all the Rupes machines work really awesome with non rupes polish and pads, ofcourse the powers that be would want you thinking different and keep to the “system” approach.
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VISITOR
i've had the flex since it was first introduced back in 07'-08' and don't plan on giving it up anytime soon. if the mille is essentially the same as the po5000c then the question to whom ever wants to buy one is which one should i choose. the mille is probably going to be more ($150+ more/$500 msrp?) which to some isn't worth it especially since the po5000c can switch to free spinning mode if once wants that extra feature that the mille doesn't have. no right or wrong choice, just personal preference. what might be right for some may not be for others...
The Makita’s free spinning mode has proven to be worthless from a correction perspective. If one wants a free float polisher and is budget conscious like yourself, there are much better options out there like the PC24XP or GG6. The 5000C is marginally more powerful than the 3401, the Mille is considerably more powerful so I fully understand the Mille’s price. You only need to hold and use the Mille once compared to its respective competitors to warrant the price difference.
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The LH19E Rotary which noone has asked about is a real gem, I find it odd that the PE-14 gets less spotlight time than the 3401 and the LH19E almost ignored with everyone only eager to know about the Mille. For the rotary and non rotary users, the LH19E is going to change the way you see rotaries. I can see other rotary polishers following suit.
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Ronin47
The Makita’s free spinning mode has proven to be worthless from a correction perspective. If one wants a free float polisher and is budget conscious like yourself, there are much better options out there like the PC24XP or GG6. The 5000C is marginally more powerful than the 3401, the Mille is considerably more powerful so I fully understand the Mille’s price. You only need to hold and use the Mille once compared to its respective competitors to warrant the price difference.
i'm not budget conscious or cheap, i will pay for any product that is a good one but there are other things i take into consideration which are just as important as the product itself. anyways, some may like that are two modes with makita which is the point i'm trying to make...
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Originally Posted by
VISITOR
i'm not budget conscious or cheap, i will pay for any product that is a good one but there are other things i take into consideration which are just as important as the product itself. anyways, some may like that are two modes with makita which is the point i'm trying to make...
I understand your point of having two modes or two machines in one fully and in theory that would be simply wonderful if both modes actually worked as intended. Reality though is quite different. Have you used the Makita? The free float is basically an orbital only good for maybe spreading wax. The machine would sell alot better if it actually was just gear driven only like the 3401 and the Mille. Its like AIO’s, they can do many things but excel at none. Lets take something simple like a dedicated machine like the GG6 or DAS6 Pro as its labeled everywhere else. Simple design, cheap, yet effective. I personally think the GG6 is the best 8mm polisher there is and if the Makita’s freefloat worked like it, that would have been the most versatile polisher there is.
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I had Mille and sold it. While its a great machine, it doesnt correct as fast as MK2 bigfoots especially with microfiber pads.and.the new Rupes.woolpads.
Im interested of the new rotary but it puts me off that they didnt cover the front end with plastic. My guess is that when you do heavy duty correcting, it will get hot which makes it uncomfortable. Currently i have the Festool Rap 150.
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Joel1979
I had Mille and sold it. While its a great machine, it doesnt correct as fast as MK2 bigfoots especially with microfiber pads.and.the new Rupes.woolpads.
Im interested of the new rotary but it puts me off that they didnt cover the front end with plastic. My guess is that when you do heavy duty correcting, it will get hot which makes it uncomfortable. Currently i have the Festool Rap 150.
The D handle fits into that area and I find myself using the D handle more often than not.
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Ronin47
The machine would sell alot better if it actually was just gear driven only like the 3401 and the Mille.
maybe so, but obviously makita thought different. it will be interesting to see how the new rupes pads will work with the flex if one decides to experiment with them (the new kamikaze wool pads look interesting as well). it will be interesting to see your review on it as well as from others. we've already know of one person (Joel1979) selling it on here already...
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Looking forward to the two new polisher offerings from Flex at Sema, just hope its not the 3401 with a different plastic cover known as the XCE. Might be a variation of the PE8 mini rotary too who knows.
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Thanks for your feedback thus far. We are excited by the potential of these tools and their matching systems to be industry leaders.
RUPES biggest industry is automotive... by far. We are not a tool manufacturer who happens to make tools, we are directly attached to the automotive market... first as a supplier of tools and parts to the bodyshops in Europe, then to the detailers in the USA. You are our focus, and the reason why we innovate. There is a reason that RUPES - for 70 years - has been The Original with so many finish and refinish products...
First palm sander? RUPES
First power tool with a plastic body? RUPES
First electric sander / orbital polisher? RUPES
First gear-drive/ forced-rotation polisher? RUPES
First double gear-reduction rotary polisher? RUPES
First large-orbit single head polishers? RUPES
First 15mm orbital polisher? RUPES
First 12mm mini polisher? RUPES
First key chains that look like a RUPES polisher? RUPES
The Nano? RUPES
Our growth in the USA has been explosive! We currently do more a month in sales, BY FAR, then we did my first entire year in the USA! We have been forced to build a second factory to keep up with demand. As many of you know, we elected to build that state-of-the-art factory in the USA and it will go on line sometime by this months end (or near).
We also continue to attract and hire some of the biggest and best in our little industry. RUPES is a tool manufacturer who had to become a pad manufacturer, who had to become a compound manufacturer (if you understand the dynamics of large-orbital polishing). We have now built a very powerful infrastructure in Europe and USA and those teams are working together to take our consumable offering from as good as anybodies to maximum awesome.
We are a small, family owned Italian tool company that is dedicated the automotive market, and dedicated to the United States. We will continue to the first to market with amazing tools and tool innovations... and we will continue to back it with world class customer service. We will continue to put on sold-out training events around the USA, European, and Caribbean, sometimes 3 in a weekend, that other companies simply do not have the personal to compete with.
We will remain dedicated to our customers and will always try to improve on our weaknesses. Sorry to steer this thread away from the tools performance, but there were a few floating points thru out the thread that I wanted to address in a respectful way.
Cheers and enjoy your new tools :)
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Todd what you have described is vertical integration to control quality and protect the the name and image of Rupes, it is an expensive endeavor which means Rupes is concerned with user’s experience; purchase, use, components and the perfection of paint.
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Originally Posted by
kkritsilas
May I ask how you come to that conclusion? Considering that the XCE has been talked about ONLY, unless you have actually been able to use the Mille and the rumored XCE, this statement is noting more than speculation.
The Makinta PO5000C was supposed to put the XC 3401 into the history books. It was supposed to be much faster at correcting paint, much smoother, and was dual mode (free rotation and geared rotation). When the machine actually arrived, the free rotation mode was found to be not very useful. It was smoother, but it corrected paint only marginally faster. In return, you had a machine that was somewhat faster, but not significantly so (it would take the XC3401 one section pass more to get the same correction), when the pads and compounds were identical, on identical panel surfaces). When it was announced, it spun in the same direction as a rotary; when the polisher actually arrived, it didn't; it spun in the same direction as the XC3401. All this is to say, that what you end up in your hands may not always be what is "said" or :rumored" to be the case, isn't. Having said all of that, please let us all know how you came to the conclusion that a polisher that as of yet, only exists as either a prototype, or in a lab in Germany, will be better or worse than any existing polisher (XC3401, PO500C, Mille, or any other geared rotation polisher)? Or is this just the "its a Rupes, so it is better than everything else" sort of statement?
Mike is using one here at 8:28.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hQD1cBCm6Ok
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Originally Posted by
atgonzales
Todd what you have described is vertical integration to control quality and protect the the name and image of Rupes, it is an expensive endeavor which means Rupes is concerned with user’s experience; purchase, use, components and the perfection of paint.
Yessir.. to our knowledge we are the only company in the world that engineers and manufacturers our own motors - both high tech electric and pneumatic as well as the upcoming DC, backing plates (actually a very big deal when it comes to building sanders), pads, compounds, etc.
Not only has the integration allowed for very high levels of quality control (currently less than 1% warranty repair rates - unheard of for power tools) but it also gives us to ability to innovate freely.
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Originally Posted by
kkritsilas
Having said all of that, please let us all know how you came to the conclusion that a polisher that as of yet, only exists as either a prototype, or in a lab in Germany, will be better or worse than any existing polisher (XC3401, PO500C, Mille, or any other geared rotation polisher)? Or is this just the "its a Rupes, so it is better than everything else" sort of statement?
Ironically, I have no dog in this fight. I don't own a FLEX, RUPES or Makita. I've never used any one of them. All my insight is strictly through user reviews.
Of course, you yourself admit that the the Makita is slightly more powerful and smoother than the 3401. Which puts the 3401 automatically in second place, by some standards. The Mille might not be perfect but every report seems to say it's about as good as you can get, with some caveats. Which means it's certainly not relegated to second place.
Then there is the XCE. Well, we don't know jack about that because FLEX still haven't given us one after two sad years of marketing it. If they don't come through this time, it's safe to say it's not even in third place. It's a DNF. However, if they do drop one on the table and say it will be selling by the end of the month, it just might hold a place in the gear driven lineup. But by all first hand reports, it's not likely refined enough to be considered the smoothest or have the best ergonomics. Maybe the big improvement will be heat buildup suppressed to the level everyone else has been at for years.
I guess I was being generous when I said the XCE might hold second place. But who knows. Maybe I'll buy one this year. I will say that it's now or never. I'll have a forced rotation polisher by next spring. If FLEX has one out worth considering, I'll add it to the list. But I'm pretty sure the 3401 is already ruled out.
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Todd@RUPES
Yessir.. to our knowledge we are the only company in the world that engineers and manufacturers our own motors - both high tech electric and pneumatic as well as the upcoming DC, backing plates (actually a very big deal when it comes to building sanders), pads, compounds, etc.
Not only has the integration allowed for very high levels of quality control (currently less than 1% warranty repair rates - unheard of for power tools) but it also gives us to ability to innovate freely.
Todd,the label on the Mille states 250-560rpm as does the manual but the graph states 275-535rpm. I’m assuming the Mille spins as low as 250rpm and maxes out at 560rpm?
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Ronin47
The LH19E Rotary which noone has asked about is a real gem, I find it odd that the PE-14 gets less spotlight time than the 3401 and the LH19E almost ignored with everyone only eager to know about the Mille. For the rotary and non rotary users, the LH19E is going to change the way you see rotaries. I can see other rotary polishers following suit.
The mille looks so awkward though
Im def interested in the upcomming rotary
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Mike@ShineStruck
The mille looks so awkward though
Im def interested in the upcomming rotary
You will love it.
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Originally Posted by
dlc95
Mike is using one of the prototype XCE polishers which were shown at SEMA for the last two years. Whether this represents the actual polisher that is actually going to be released is a completely open question. This was my point regarding BrettS4's post putting the XCE in third place. As of right now, in the absence of any new information from Flex, or an actual available XCE, there is no way to say how it will compare. Could it be a dog? Yes. Could it be the best geared rotation polisher out there? Also yes. There is no way to know until either Flex releases more information, or an actual product. Could Flex screw up? Of course. But I would point out, as I have in a previous post, that the XFE prototypes had issues as well, and Flex fixed the mechanics and the cooling on the final, shipping units They may do a number of things on the XCE final units that are not in the prototypes, nobody knows (outside of Flex and some insiders like Mike, who are probably not at liberty to discuss this).
Judging a final unit by how a prototype works is really not going to help anything. The reason that prototypes are made is to find all the issues in a design, and correct them before a unit goes into volume production. I am sure that Flex putting the XCE prototypes into the hands of experienced detailers is not an accident, and want to get feedback and make improvements from that feedback. This is the same reason Makita had an engineering/prototype team at one of Mike's detailing classes years before the PO5000C was released.
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Originally Posted by
kkritsilas
Mike is using one of the prototype XCE polishers which were shown at SEMA for the last two years. Whether this represents the actual polisher that is actually going to be released is a completely open question. This was my point regarding Ronin47's post putting the XCE in third place. As of right now, in the absence of any new information from Flex, or an actual availabe XCE9, there is no way to say how it will compare. Could it be a dog? Yes. Could it be the best geared rotation polisher out there? Also yes. There is no way to know until either Flex releases more information, or an actual product.Could Flex screw up? Of course. But I would point out, as I have in a previous post, that the XFE prototypes had issues as well, and Flex fixed the mechanics and the cooling on the final, shipping units They may do a number of things on the XCE final units that are not in the prototypes, nobody knows (outside of Flex and some insiders like Mike, who are probably not at liberty to discuss this).
Judging a final unit by how a prototype works is really not going to help anything. The reason that prototypes are made is to find all the issues in a design, and correct them before a unit goes into volume production. I am sure that Flex putting the XCE prototypes into the hands of experienced detailers is not an accident, and want to get feedback and make improvements from that feedback. This is the same reason Makita had an engineering/prototype team at one of Mike's detailing classes years before the PO5000C was released.
You are mistaken, I didn’t position any polishers into places.
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Ronin47, my apology. I mis-attributed the positioning statement by BrettS4.
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Originally Posted by
Joel1979
I had Mille and sold it. While its a great machine, it doesnt correct as fast as MK2 bigfoots especially with microfiber pads.and.the new Rupes.woolpads.
Im interested of the new rotary but it puts me off that they didnt cover the front end with plastic. My guess is that when you do heavy duty correcting, it will get hot which makes it uncomfortable. Currently i have the Festool Rap 150.
Joel, I’m finding this hard to believe. 4 paint corrections from soft, medium to hard paints with all the tools and the Mille is right up there with the MKII’s. I’m not even using heavy pressure infact same light pressure as the MKII’s and the Mille is a demon. I’m using speed 4 on all the tools,same pads and product. 4 different paints can’t be wrong.
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Originally Posted by
Ronin47
The LH19E Rotary which noone has asked about is a real gem, I find it odd that the PE-14 gets less spotlight time than the 3401 and the LH19E almost ignored with everyone only eager to know about the Mille. For the rotary and non rotary users, the LH19E is going to change the way you see rotaries. I can see other rotary polishers following suit.
I've got a PE14 and really like it. What the difference in the LH19E and the PE14? Both these machines have me interested. I just can't imagine enough difference in a rotary to make other manufacturers change their design.
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Re: Rupes LK 900E Mille & LH 19E
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Originally Posted by
Ronin47
Joel, I’m finding this hard to believe. 4 paint corrections from soft, medium to hard paints with all the tools and the Mille is right up there with the MKII’s. I’m not even using heavy pressure infact same light pressure as the MKII’s and the Mille is a demon. I’m using speed 4 on all the tools,same pads and product. 4 different paints can’t be wrong.
Well my results were different. I did several tests on two different clearcoats. I polished p1500 and P2000 sanding marks. All the pro detailers here in Finland that i have talked, agrees with me. Its fantastic machine but i prefer long throws and rotary. It is definilately better than 3401. Also i dont like the fact that Mille doesnt perfrom well at all with microfiber pads. With the new Rupes woolpad i expected it to excel but it was bit restless and didnt cut like 15-21 did. Like i said, i have nano, duetto with 3" kamikaze, 15mk2, 21mk and Festool Shinex, Mille didnt bring anything for table and didnt live up to its expections.
I sure did love the external upgrades of Mille compared to MK2. Hopefully MK3 will get that speed dial, variable speed trigger and dual rubber rest. Oh and brushless motor ;)