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ONR perfect for MIchigan Winters
Optimum No Rinse melts salt and grime off my wife's Ford Fusion. Rinseless products make it so nice to wash vehicles. Especially in the garage when temp are in the single digits outside.
https://www.autogeek.net/opnoriwash12.html
Go from this
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To this
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and my wife is happy. As long as this car is clean.....PBMG boxes on the porch go unquestioned ;-)
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Do you spray down with water or just presoak with ONR?
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LEDetailing
Do you spray down with water or just presoak with ONR?
Neither. I make one pass with my mit, Flip to other side for another pass, rinse , ringout well and re wet in the rinseless. Works well for me
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LEDetailing
Do you spray down with water or just presoak with ONR?
For what it’s worth, I live in MD and deal with incredibly salty roads in the winter (my back roads are ridiculous) and I just lightly mist each panel and then get into it.
I haven’t encountered a situation yet where I’ve been concerned about scratching my car doing a rinseless wash.
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Heading back out to wash my Outback. Breaking out the Wolfgang uber this time.
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What product do you like better? Does one work better for the salt? I gotta tell you, I've never washed a car that dirty with rinseless without first going to a coin-op car wash and spraying it off first. No issues??
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mmhammer
What product do you like better? Does one work better for the salt? I gotta tell you, I've never washed a car that dirty with rinseless without first going to a coin-op car wash and spraying it off first. No issues??
I'm with mmhammer....when I first saw your before picture...I said...no way!!!
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ONR perfect for MIchigan Winters
When I asked in the optimum Facebook group about presoaking with onr before a wash, I was basically told that if you don’t pre rinse, you should pre soak.
For me, pre rinsing the car defeats the entire purpose of using a rinseless wash.
I’ve encountered no swirls washing my car with onr when salt is on it. Whether I use the GDWM, optimums blue waffle sponge, a grout sponge, a wash mitt (least favorite.)
If you’re worried about scratching your whole car, just pick one panel to try it this way on. With a presoak present I’m comfortable washing near anything off my car with a rinseless method.
Sometimes I’ll even catch myself falling back into the trap of thinking “wow this can’t work I have to have scratched the paint” when it’s dirtier than usual, but every time the inspection light comes out, I’m reminded why I trust ONR.
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mmhammer
What product do you like better? Does one work better for the salt? I gotta tell you, I've never washed a car that dirty with rinseless without first going to a coin-op car wash and spraying it off first. No issues??
That would normally be a hard call for me but since I just used them both in the same day I feel I have a winner. I would give the nod to ONR. Hahaha yeah that's a salty Fusion for sure! I use a TON of water. Fill the bucket close to max with 3 oz of rinseless. I wipe down one time per side of mit kind of rolling it and I go. No issues.
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luvmyrv
I'm with mmhammer....when I first saw your before picture...I said...no way!!!
Haha yeah that's every weekend. Love rinseless!
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Finick
When I asked in the optimum Facebook group about presoaking with onr before a wash, I was basically told that if you don’t pre rinse, you should pre soak.
For me, pre rinsing the car defeats the entire purpose of using a rinseless wash.
I’ve encountered no swirls washing my car with onr when salt is on it. Whether I use the GDWM, optimums blue waffle sponge, a grout sponge, a wash mitt (least favorite.)
If you’re worried about scratching your whole car, just pick one panel to try it this way on. With a presoak present I’m comfortable washing near anything off my car with a rinseless method.
Sometimes I’ll even catch myself falling back into the trap of thinking “wow this can’t work I have to have scratched the paint” when it’s dirtier than usual, but every time the inspection light comes out, I’m reminded why I trust ONR.
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Presoak is definitely good. I use a mit and wipe top to bottom one side of mit per pass. I use light pressure so at the bottom if I see that I have left some salt/dirt behind I just repeat process after rinsing and re soaking mit
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I have a 31 ft RV that I like to wash after trip, and most times it's dusty but not real dirty, the odd time we get caught in rain and it will have a fair bit of road grime on it. I think I need to switch to trying this on the RV, seems it would be quicker, use a ton less water.
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Give N914 a shot! This product is excellent! Great cleaning ability, leaves behind a high gloss shine. This product also makes a great clay lube and panel wipe. Try it, I bet you make the change. Waterless wash ratio is awesome too!
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Mazo275
Give N914 a shot! This product is excellent! Great cleaning ability, leaves behind a high gloss shine. This product also makes a great clay lube and panel wipe. Try it, I bet you make the change. Waterless wash ratio is awesome too!
Yes, I have been reading alot about that. I have also been switching over to Mckee's 37 products. I will give it a shot when I'm finished with the onr and uber.
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Have to second the N914....i was a long time uber user and while I still think uber is a fantastic product I think I may like the N914 a bit better. Seems slicker to me and the finish is cleaner. I don't require additional protection and the finish seems clearer with the 914 to me. Can't go wrong with either though.
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Hit up our van with ONR this morning. Worked pretty good. It’s white so couldn’t see if there was any streaking or salt marks still. Looked 100 times better than it was. Was -13 out when I left for work. May do the Accord tomorrow morning
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I'm a big presoak believer. Especially with road salt. Give those polymers time to work loosen and break down those salts. No matter how good the product is, your technique and equipment you are marring the paint to some degree. Is it going to look like you keyed your paint, no. You are wiping in straight lines which makes scratches even harder to see. Now with quality product, good technique and equipment you may be pressed to see the micro marring but it's there. It will also polish right out come spring when you do your first detail. The question is do you want chemicals sitting on your paint all winter or minor amount of micro marring to clean up in spring.
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Right now my go to Infinite Use Detail Juice. I have not tried anything yet that's better. It does so many things really well. It may not be the cheapest but competitive price wise. I would say middle of the road price wise. It can be a substitute for quite a few products in a detailing arsenal. I got a bottle of BF rinse less wash for free and only used it as a QD right now but it was super slick with a nice gloss, but it is up there in the top tier price wise and the dilution ratio to me is poor.
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hoyt66
Looks like it may have helped on the garage floor as well.
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Yep did our 17 Accord sport this morning just now. Worked well although hard to get it 100% dry when your garage is 34 degrees. Takes a while but looks much better. Been using the GD method instead of a mitt or sponge since I always had salt trails after it dried in the past see if this helps
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MattPersman
Yep did our 17 Accord sport this morning just now. Worked well although hard to get it 100% dry when your garage is 34 degrees. Takes a while but looks much better. Been using the GD method instead of a mitt or sponge since I always had salt trails after it dried in the past see if this helps
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Came out decent. Here it is in the sea of salt cars sitting on snow https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...c372a2ede8.jpg
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Car looks good. I like that color. As far as drying in the colder temp I still use my cordless leaf blower to dry. In single digit temps I'm only getting my garage up to 41-45
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Curious of your procedure as I need to do the wife's badly and really don't want to hot the coin op if I don't need to.
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Got up to a warm 30 here in Maryland, so I figured I’d take advantage and clean the car up a little.
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Do you guys rinseless in the door, hood, trunk jams as well?
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Do you guys rinseless in the door, hood, trunk jams as well?
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Definitely, works really well in them.
Also to answer your question from earlier, I don’t really change anything in my rinseless procedure in the winter other than maybe spraying a tiny bit more pre soak on the lower panels.
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Hoyt do you have streaking issues. I have always used rinseless but for some reason this year i have been battling streaks. I have switched between McKees and Uber. I soak a bunch of MF in solution, i dont do the one mitt method. Last night i did the wifes dark grey car and same thing with the streaks after i dry the car. I take it to the coin op and just rinse it before hand. I still have some D114 left may try that on mine today.
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Are you using distilled water? Or maybe too concentrated a mixture.
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No distilled, i stick with the recommended mix same as warm weather. I was wondering if it is a salt residue issue. It seems like the salt residue is really sticky this year. I could just be losing my mind also.
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Hoyt do you have streaking issues. I have always used rinseless but for some reason this year i have been battling streaks. I have switched between McKees and Uber. I soak a bunch of MF in solution, i dont do the one mitt method. Last night i did the wifes dark grey car and same thing with the streaks after i dry the car. I take it to the coin op and just rinse it before hand. I still have some D114 left may try that on mine today.
I mix 3oz to 4gl. Heavy compared to whats recommended. I have no issues with streaking using Wolfgang or ONR.
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hoyt66
Neither. I make one pass with my mit, Flip to other side for another pass, rinse , ringout well and re wet in the rinseless. Works well for me
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Just some food for thought here:
I would pre-treat each panel before wiping, this way it breaks down the dirt and brings it to the surface and thus reducing the chance of scratching the paint. At the minimum, have a bucket with a grit guard to clean out that mit too. Have you considered doing the Garry Dean method? I would always pre-treat no matter what though, just me. Also, the Work hydroshot makes cleaning those tires/wheels/wells a breeze in the garage!
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I'm with Roger. It takes a minute or two to spray my car down with a good coating of N914 or WGURW before heading to the actual rinseless wash, and I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm not using WGURW that much anymore. It's been straight up N914 or CarPro ECH2O now.
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Yeah...me too Kev!
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ct18
Hoyt do you have streaking issues. I have always used rinseless but for some reason this year i have been battling streaks. I have switched between McKees and Uber. I soak a bunch of MF in solution, i dont do the one mitt method. Last night i did the wifes dark grey car and same thing with the streaks after i dry the car. I take it to the coin op and just rinse it before hand. I still have some D114 left may try that on mine today.
The D114 should resolve your streaking issues if they're related to product residue and not soiling left behind on the paint. I can leave 1:256 or 1:128 D114 solution on paint and it flashes off cleanly....I wouldn't recommend doing that, but it was just an observation I made in testing. I do rinseless washes indoors, so maybe that makes a difference.
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Klasse Act
Just some food for thought here:
I would pre-treat each panel before wiping, this way it breaks down the dirt and brings it to the surface and thus reducing the chance of scratching the paint. At the minimum, have a bucket with a grit guard to clean out that mit too. Have you considered doing the Garry Dean method? I would always pre-treat no matter what though, just me. Also, the Work hydroshot makes cleaning those tires/wheels/wells a breeze in the garage!
Thanks. I used to presoak using a garden sprayer designated for rinseless only. Need to fill that back up, not sure why I got away from it. No good reason that's for sure. I have not tried the gary Dean method. I have watched it and I know it gets solid reviews. I have good results with 2bm (both with grit guard) and a mit. With the Gary Dean method just not a fan of a bucket full of dirty microfibers after the wash process.
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When you use Ech2o as a rinseless wash what dilution do you have?
And if you use a wash mitt do you prefer a chennel mf or a mf mitt? Or is the Garry Dean method the safer way to go with multible mitts and plush mf towels?
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The GD method is very safe because you always have a clean towel when you need one. Depending on how dirty your car lis you can 1-2 passes per square, so 8-16 swipes per towel. Once done, put it side and grab a fresh towel that's been soaking in the mix. A side note, when doing waterless or rinseless washes you'll have dirty towels afterwards and unless your doing a load of towels right away you may wanna soak them in a separate bucket until you have enough to do a load. Soaking them in some detergent helps break down the dirt in the towels and thus makes cleaning easier when you do that next load of mf towels.
Also, plush, edgeless towels are the way to go here, no ifs, ands or butts about it. I mean regular mf towels are fine on glass but not for the rest of the car...IMO.
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In winter I use a 1 gallon bleach sprayer with 2 ounces of ONR and warm water to rinse first. I do this twice to really get the wheel wells and undercarriage as much as possible.
After I see how much sand is sitting on the garage floor I never doubt my approach.
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I do a method similar to Gary Dean as well. Like Roger, I use all 8 quarters of an 1100 GSM towel. I tend to have it pretty wet, but not dripping with solution. It's probably one of those things where using a very clean mitt with a grit guard is just as safe as using the GD method, but the GD method is what I've adopted and what I use. I totally understand the washing requirements, and it's a bit much sometimes. But, I tend to think of rinseless washes as not "environmental" washes but as a washing method that has less water requirement -- at least on the wash side!
SWETM: I use 1 oz of ECH2O in 3 gallons. No streaking issues for me.
Roger also make me up a gallon of ECH2O FrankenDetailer that I have been using as a drying aid of sorts.
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luvmyrv
I have a 31 ft RV that I like to wash after trip, and most times it's dusty but not real dirty, the odd time we get caught in rain and it will have a fair bit of road grime on it. I think I need to switch to trying this on the RV, seems it would be quicker, use a ton less water.
If you do this I would suggest using the optimum No Rinse Wash and Wax as it has Car Wax in it which helps with UVA and UVB. I use that stuff on everything anymore along with the Car Wax.
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I use this mit. It does not trap contaminants as easily and rinses out well before putting into my clean media
https://www.autogeek.net/gold-plush-wash-mitt.html
I go with 2 buckets and grit guards. One wipe with one side of the mit and the another wipe with the other side. Then dunk in and out of the rinse bucket before dunking in and out of the clean rinseless bucket. This way I am always using a clean mit. For me the key is to having the buckets full enough to get a true "dunking" with your mitt so the contaminants have room to fall. I do need to get back to pre spray though.
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I purchased OPC, ONR and their car wash soap. A friend of mine is giving me a bottle of Hyper-Seal. The only products I've used from OPT has been OPC. Looking forward to trying it.