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    Re: How to restore a Barn Find!

    Quote Originally Posted by jeanjaian View Post

    How awesome!

    Quick question.

    Even with lower RPMs, could we manage do correct the paint safely and get great results as you guys got?

    I need more information?

    When you say,


    Even with lower RPMs, could we manage do correct the paint safely and get great results as you guys got?


    Do you mean, if you had performed the work with rotary buffers instead of dual action polishers and used low RPMs with the rotary buffers could you have produced the same results that we achieved using dual action polishers?

    Is that what you mean?


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    Re: How to restore a Barn Find!

    Well done! Ugly or not, the car came out great! (I personally think it is a neat looking car) What a transformation! You guys are magicians!

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    Re: How to restore a Barn Find!

    Quote Originally Posted by jeanjaian View Post

    How awesome!

    Quick question.

    Even with lower RPMs, could we manage do correct the paint safely and get great results as you guys got?

    The answer is "yes".

    The issue is you need to work harder at avoiding what are called,


    Tiger Stripes




    Below is the only pictures that kind of show what tiger stripes would look like on old, single stage metallic paints.

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    Tiger Stripes from the buffing process
    For this meaning of the term tiger stripes, if you buff too much on single stage metallic paint you will remove enough pigmented or colored paint plus abraded the aluminum flakes enough to leave stripes or lines in the paint that mimic the way you moved the buffer over the paint.

    I don't have any good pictures of Tiger Stripes from over-buffing single stage metallic paint. I've seen it in my life but must not have had a camera handy.

    You can get an idea of what this over buffing of single stage paint can look like in this write-up. I'm not saying my friend Craig over buffed this paint, it could have happened from before he owned the car. But you can definitely see a pattern of light and dark lines in the paint after he removed the extreme oxidation and restored clarity and gloss to the finish.

    1971 Dodge Coronet Original Paint Extreme Makeover with Meguiar's #7 Show Car Glaze


    Before







    After

    IF you look you can see dark sections and light sections this is where less paint and more paint has been removed at some point in the car's life from buffing.

    This doesn't mean Craig the owner did it when he saved the paint job, he may have, he may have also revealed the appearance differences when he removed the oxidation.









    What can you do?
    The best thing you can do when buffing on single stage metallic paint is to take a very non-aggressive approach when choosing compounds and polishes and use a light touch. Then always use a crosshatch pattern when buffing, don't simply go from side to side.

    And if it's not your car then less is more...

    First educate your customer on the type of paint their car has and the unique issues buffing on and restoring this type of paint brings to the table. Then under promise what you can do and then do your best to over deliver. And of course this forum is always here to help.


    So buff slow... don't buff aggressive... light pressure and more time.

    It would be much safer to use a dual action polisher IF you are in fact working on antique single stage paint and IF you are in fact working on antique single stage METALLIC paint.

    Tricky stuff when it's old and neglected.

    Hope that helps...


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    Re: How to restore a Barn Find!

    Mike you really think the 69 T-Bird is ugly? I really like them. Perhaps not in that color or with that roof... A solid black or another color would do it some justice.
    I really like the sleek lines of the 69... Not to many of them on the road, up here the popular flavor is 55-59 or 64-67's... Anyway as stated above, I love how it came out! I wished I lived closer and could do the Thur night events.

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    Re: How to restore a Barn Find!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike.Phillips@Autogeek View Post
    The answer is "yes".


    Hope that helps...


    Of course, Mike. I'm sorry I forgot to mention about the rotary buffer.

    Thank you.

    I ask because I prefer to work with my Flex PE 14-2... So if we have time and patience, we can use lower RPMs (say 1400rpm with solvent-based compound like Menzerna, which I use), and achieve a great result.

    I assume the pressure must be the lightest possible...

    How about pads? Is it safer to use a Purple foam wool (by Lake Country) or is it better to use an agressive foam pad?

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    Re: How to restore a Barn Find!

    Quote Originally Posted by jeanjaian View Post

    Of course, Mike. I'm sorry I forgot to mention about the rotary buffer.

    Thank you.

    I ask because I prefer to work with my Flex PE 14-2...

    What are you working on?


    Barn findes with antique singles stage paint?

    or

    Mondern cars and trucks with modern basecoat/clearcoat paint systems?

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    Re: How to restore a Barn Find!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike.Phillips@Autogeek View Post
    What are you working on?


    Barn findes with antique singles stage paint?

    or

    Mondern cars and trucks with modern basecoat/clearcoat paint systems?


    I'm just planning what to have and how to proceed when I get projects like a 'Barn find'.

    I've already polished an old truck with single-stage paint. But it was repainted about 15 years ago. The results were amazing!

    However, I'm not really confident on how to proceed with a 50-year-old single-stage paint, for example. (Foam or foam wool pads)

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    Re: How to restore a Barn Find!

    Quote Originally Posted by paul_g View Post

    Mike you really think the 69 T-Bird is ugly? I really like them. Perhaps not in that color or with that roof... A solid black or another color would do it some justice.
    I agree a different color and get rid if the vinyl roof and it would be a much better looking car.

    I DO like the 429 BIG BLOCK FORD this old bird has nesting in the engine compartment.


    Quote Originally Posted by paul_g View Post

    I really like the sleek lines of the 69... Not to many of them on the road, up here the popular flavor is 55-59 or 64-67's...

    Anyway as stated above, I love how it came out! I wished I lived closer and could do the Thur night events.

    My favorite birds are the square birds, that is the 1958 and 1959 Thunderbirds and the convertible version.


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    Re: How to restore a Barn Find!

    Quote Originally Posted by LSNAutoDetailing View Post

    Mike you really think the 69 T-Bird is ugly?
    Yes. I love the Square Birds, especially the convertibles.



    Quote Originally Posted by LSNAutoDetailing View Post

    I really like them. Perhaps not in that color or with that roof... A solid black or another color would do it some justice.

    I really like the sleek lines of the 69... Not to many of them on the road, up here the popular flavor is 55-59 or 64-67's...

    Anyway as stated above, I love how it came out! I wished I lived closer and could do the Thur night events.
    I've seen some really nice birds in this body style, we had a custom black on our first TV show, "What's in Autogeek's Garage".


    But yeah, I prefer a hotrodded 1958 or 1959 convertible. I grew up with my best friend Brian who had and still owns a 1956 Tbird.




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    Re: How to restore a Barn Find - 1969 Ford Thunderbird - #7 Rub Out + FLEX = 3D products

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