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    Re: How to maximize the ability of the 1st Gen Porter Cable Dual Action Polishers

    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker View Post
    Thanks for this thread.
    This thread is the result of a question asked in another thread but it's a common or "Hot Topic" as I like to call it because a lot of people have the same issue.

    When topics come up over and over on multiple forums it's time to write an article to address the issue and this is why a long time ago I created a forum group category called "Hot Topics". This thread is in the "How To Articles" forum group however because it's also a hot-to article, (but it is a hot topic).

    One thing for sure, it's a fact that there are a zillion of the first generation PC out in the world and I can't count how many times I've answered a thread where the problem is "Pad Rotation and Large Pads".



    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker View Post
    Looks like I need to switch to a Flex. I've been frustrated with my 7424 since the day I bought it. Needless to say I haven't used it much.
    And this is where I chime in and verify that you have a 7424 or a 7424XP because most of the time on forums I find people don't include the XP when referring to the new model, they just type 7424.

    But I want to verify because I've read you're posts over the last year since coming to Autogeek and you're actually pretty thorough in your writing in posts.


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    Re: How to maximize the ability of the 1st Gen Porter Cable Dual Action Polishers

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    Good call. The backplate is at least 5.5 years old. When I first got the PC, I was using it a lot but now I barely use it. It's probably just showing it's age.
    Sad to say but everything wears out... including you and me...


    Quote Originally Posted by 03TorchedMach1 View Post
    I read that article about some pads not working with some backing plates...definitely could be another reason why they are not sticking too well.
    I worked for a company once and the manufacturer of their backing plates chanced the "type" of hook used for the hook portion of the hook and loop attachment system and the pads literally would fall off of a brand new backing plate.

    So there is a real science to hook and loop systems.


    Quote Originally Posted by 03TorchedMach1 View Post
    Or you are just BSing me to get me to buy a new backing plate and pads hahaha I'm a sucker when it comes to that!
    I'd like to play the "Funny Guy", but this job requires me to be the serious guy most of the time...

    Quote Originally Posted by 03TorchedMach1 View Post
    I'll use what I have to get my car ready for Mustang Week but I'll place an order before I do anymore detailing. Thanks for the advice!
    All the ones in the picture above work well, a work of caution about the 3M brand, whatever the hook style is they use it's grabs like nobody's business, it's attachment is strong enough that it can wear out the adhesive used to hold the loop interface onto foam pads.

    So anyone that gets a 3M backing plate should really practice pulling their pads off carfully...


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    Re: How to maximize the ability of the 1st Gen Porter Cable Dual Action Polishers

    Thanks Mike. I appreciate all the advice.

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    Re: How to maximize the ability of the 1st Gen Porter Cable Dual Action Polishers

    Interesting article. Luckily for me my Gen-I PC (actually a Meg's G100A) has a lifetime warranty; being 8-9 years old now and very well worn, the bearings are getting pretty much shot and squeal whenever the machine is stopped.

    I keep intending to call Meguiar's to have them replace it with a G110v2, but never get around to it since most of the work I do is handled by the Flex 3401 and 3403 polishers that are also in my toolbox. Just picked up the new Unigrit machine sanding system during the 4th of July sale though, so I'm probably going to need a traditional DA that's in better shape sooner than later.
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    Re: How to maximize the ability of the 1st Gen Porter Cable Dual Action Polishers

    Hello everyone. This is my first post to AG. I have read Mike's article and found it to be very disheartening. I had my heart set on ordering Meguiars 7inch 2.0 pads but now I'm having doubts. I currently have a PC 7424 (not XP) and 6 Cobra Cross Cut pads (2 orange, 2 white and 2 red). I'm new to detailing and feel comfortable with Meguiars products and was going to try their pads as well. Now, I am thinking about going with Lake Country pads. Here is my question, which CCS pads best match the Meguiars W8207 Yellow pad and the W9207 Black pad for cut or finessing? Thank you.

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    Re: How to maximize the ability of the 1st Gen Porter Cable Dual Action Polishers

    Yeah I was starting to wonder why i can't get the same results as others with similar products and pads. I have a older 7337. I have the 3m backing plate (with the marker line) and I use the ccs 5" pads. I just can't cut some of the stuff needed for correction on customer (friends cars). Thought it was me. Went back, reviewed and read. Basically found that for everywhere a video says use setting 4 then I needed to move to 5 or even 6 to acheive similar results.

    Either way...its time to upgrade!

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    Re: How to maximize the ability of the 1st Gen Porter Cable Dual Action Polishers

    Quote Originally Posted by lots2learn View Post
    Here is my question, which CCS pads best match the Meguiars W8207 Yellow pad and the W9207 Black pad for cut or finessing? Thank you.
    The white colored foam pads in the LC line are comparable to the yellow foam polishing pads in the Meguiar's Line and the black or gray foam pads in the LC line are comparable to the black finishing pad in the Meguiar's line.


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    Re: How to maximize the ability of the 1st Gen Porter Cable Dual Action Polishers

    Quote Originally Posted by Detail View Post

    Either way...its time to upgrade!
    The first generation DA Polishers were good and hundreds of thousands of cars have been polished out with them successfully...

    The new second generation DA Polishers are even better...


    If you ever watch how I craft some of my sentences when I write you'll notice I always leave room for new technology, nothing stays the same... there are companies out there always pushing the envelope whether it be with tools, pads or chemicals...

    What can't be done today, will be done tomorrow... just wait and see...


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    Re: How to maximize the ability of the 1st Gen Porter Cable Dual Action Polishers

    Thanks Mike. Thanks Detail.

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    Re: How to maximize the ability of the 1st Gen Porter Cable Dual Action Polishers

    Mike:
    Not to dig up an old thread, however I simply must thank you for posting this.

    Two years ago I bought a PC and the Edge 6" Pad kit, and found even with proper technique it would take what seemed like forever and a day to two-step polish a Civic with soft paint. Partially thanks to this I have used the machine very little in the past 2 years.

    Now I know exactly what the problem was and why the pad would so easily stop rotating. Does the XP version have near as much of a problem turning a 6-6.5" pad? At this point I don't know what I would replace (machine/pads/both). I really wish I had known this when I ordered.

    Thanks again!

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