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    Foam Pad Options for the Griots G9 Polisher

    Foam Pad Options for the Griots G9 Polisher


    I get asked a lot of questions in general and also in specific. This article will present pad options for the new Griot's Garage G9


    For most of us, when using this type of tool on modern or new cars, the 5" backing plate with smaller pads is the way to go simply because the smaller pad diameter tends to fit the body panel designs of new and modern cars better than larger pads. Byt this I mean, most car hoods, fenders, doors and fenders are not simply large flat panels. Instead they have a SHAPE and the shape will include a raised body line. Besides any raised body lines you will also have the EDGES of the panel to contend with. Because it's a good practice to NOT buff on edges or body lines, smaller pads will fit modern car body panels better than larger pads. This is important with any brand of free spinning, random orbital polisher as the key to great paint correction is to maintain pad rotation. Smaller pads rotate better than larger pads when buffed curved body panels.

    >>>This space reserved for pictures of body panels with raised body lines<<<



    Currently, I have a good selection of Lake Country, Buff & Shine and Griot's BOSS pads in the garage that I use for our car detailing classes and projects. I've had the chance to use a lot of different pads with the new Griot's G9 and at the time I'm writing this article, I tend to like a tick thicker foam pads than the thin BOSS pads. The thin BOSS pads are great, but the G9 has so much power you don't really need to abide by the old saying, thin is in when it comes to choosing pads for the G9.



    As such, I've been liking the Buff & Shine Uro-Tech pads to date and that's because their just a tick thicker than the BOSS pads, the Lake Country ThinPro pads and the Meguiar's foam discs. The B&S Uro-Tech pads are also just a few 8ths wider in diameter than the LC SDO and HDO pads. The RUPES 6" or 150mm foam pads are also a good match as are the Griot's NON-BOSS foam pads.

    Here's a boat load of pictures to show you most of the 5.5 pads available at Autogeek that are a good match for this tool.



    Griot's Foam pads
    Because it's a Griot's tool, let's look at Griot's pads first.


    Griot's 5.5" Universal Foam Pads
    Griot's offers a set of 3 different foam pads in 4", 5.5" and 6.5" from Griot's. I'm only showing the 5.5" below. These pads are 15/16" thick. We can just call it an inch.





    These Universal pads measure in at 5 1/2" in diameter






    Griot's 5.5" BOSS Foam Pads

    These are the very thing foam pads introduced originally for the BOSS long stroke polishers. They measure 9/16" thick or thin, depending upon your perspective. We can just call it a 1/2 inch.





    The diameter measures 5 1/4"








    Lake Country SDO, HDO and Buff and Shine Uro-Tech pads

    Didn't mean to lump these two brands together and will take dedicated pictures of the two brands ASAP, but for now, at least you can see them and their widths.

    From left to right
    5.5" Lake Country SDO, 5.5" Lake Country HDO, 6" Buff and Shine Uro-Tech






    The Lake Country 5.5" SDO measures approximately 5 3/8"





    The Lake Country 5.5" HDO measures approximately 5 1/2"





    The Buff and Shine 6" Uro-Tech measures 5 5/8"







    RUPES 150mm or 6" foam pads

    Yeah yeah yeah I know, RUPES don't like to co-mingle. Whatever... RUPES makes great foam pads and this particular size fits the Grit's G9 really well.





    The RUPES 6" pads measure in at 5 3/4" wide







    RUPES Mille Pads - SUPER THIN

    These pads are intended to be used with the 5mm gear-driven RUPES Mille, kind of like the FLEX 3401 only with a 5mm orbit stroke length whereas the FLEX 3401 has a 8mm orbit stroke length.




    They measure in at 5 7/16ths" wide








    Lake Country ThinPro 5.5" pads
    Lake Country makes these exclusively for Autogeek, (I think), and these pads are great on tools like the Porter Cable, Meguiar's MT300, Harbor Freight, and the Torq 10X, etc. Basically, the 8mm to 10mm free spinning random orbital polishers.




    The ThinPros measure in at 5 7/16ths inches wide





    Here's all the super thin pads side by side from a horizontal point of view





    The RUPES Mille is the thinnest

    From left to right,

    Thinpro, Griot's BOSS, RUPES Mille and Meguiar's





    All of the above pads fit any 5" backing plate with a little extra velcro on the back side to help you CENTER the pads.










    You also need to get one of these,


    Griot's Garage G9 - 5 inch Vented Backing Plate





    On Autogeek.com


    Griot's Garage G9 - 5 inch Vented Backing Plate





    Griot's 5.5" Universal Foam Pads

    Griots Garage 5.5 inch Orange Foam Correcting Pad (2-pack)

    Griots Garage 5.5 inch Black Foam Finishing Pad (2-pack)

    Griots Garage 5.5 inch Red Foam Waxing Pad (2-pack)



    Griot's BOSS Pads

    Griots Garage 5.5 inch BOSS Foam and Microfiber Pads




    Buff & Shine

    6 Inch Buff & Shine Uro-Tec Foam Pads




    Lake Country

    Lake Country HDO Foam Pads

    Lake Country 5.5 inch SDO Pads

    Lake Country ThinPro Foam Pad System 5.5 Inch

    Lake Country 5 1/2 inch Flat Foam Pads

    CCS Smart Pads™ Dual Action 5.5 Inch Foam Pads




    RUPES

    Rupes 150 mm (6 inch) Foam Pads

    RUPES Mille Foam Pads




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    Re: Foam Pad Options for the Griots G9

    Continued....


    It use to be people would complain because there were so FEW choices for buffing pads.

    Now people complain because there are so many choices that it becomes confusing?


    Here's my opinion, when it comes to the Griot's G9, because it really has a TON of power, you don't need to go with THIN pads to get and maintain great pad rotation. This means you can go with some of the thicker 5.5" pads options I've shown above.

    The thicker pads provide a tick smoother buffing experience to you and your hands when machine buffing anything. And there's a little more SAFETY margin with a tick thicker pad than with the really thin pads. By this I mean, with a little thicker pad, the BACKING PLATE isn't so close to the PAINT.

    I would consider myself a professional when it comes to machine polishing with any machine on the market and when I use the Griot's G9 I tend to prefer the thicker pads shown above, not the thin pads.


    If you're unsure, start out with a few of the thin pads and a few of the thicker pads and see for yourself which pads you like best before you start investing a lot of money into buffing pads.

    I will say that the pads with the hole in the center offer the benefit of better cooling as most of the heat that comes out of the types of tools that use these pads is generated and passed out of the center of the backing plate.

    IF the heat is going into AIR then it's not going into your pad.


    If you have any questions about which pads to get, please post them to this thread and I'll do my best to answer them.



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    Re: Foam Pad Options for the Griots G9

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Phillips View Post
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    Hi Mike ,
    I thought the Buff / Shine uro-tec was for long throws ?
    Is the new G9 considered a long throw ??
    Thanks !!!!

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    Re: Foam Pad Options for the Griots G9

    Quote Originally Posted by KBsToy View Post

    Hi Mike ,
    I thought the Buff / Shine uro-tec was for long throws ?
    Is the new G9 considered a long throw ??
    Thanks !!!!
    The Griot's G9 is considered a short stroke polisher. I think the dividing line between short stroke and long stroke is 11mm and 12mm - or some fuzzy place thereabouts.


    Without going to either the AG store or the B&S Store side and researching I don't know off hand but any features incorporated into a pad for long throw polishers wouldn't be a down side for a short throw polisher.


    Plus - the G9 doesn't really care. It's going to turn and churn whatever pad you put on it.


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    Re: Foam Pad Options for the Griots G9 Polisher




    I've added more pads and some info about them above.


    Right now, here's my personal preferences for this tool.


    The Griot's 5.5" Universal in Orange, Black and Red
    Orange for light cutting/polishing and also applying a one-step cleaner/wax. The black for finishing and red for machine applying a wax or sealant.


    The Buff & Shine Uro-Tech in Maroon, Yellow and White
    Maroon for cutting, yellow for polishing or using a one-step cleaner/wax, white for fine polishing or machine applying a wax or sealant.


    The RUPES - all colors
    The blue is really aggressive and the green a few ticks less aggressive. The yellow is good for polishing or applying a one step cleaner/wax and the white for fine polishing or machine applying a wax or sealant.





    GET THE GRIOT'S 5' BACKING PLATE

    Also - the Griot's G9 comes with a 6" backing plate. My recommendation is to go ahead and bite the bullet and purchase the 5" backing plate right from the start. This way you start out investing in 5.5 and 6" pads istead of investing in 6.5" and 7" pads.

    Make sense?



    Griot's Garage 5 Inch Vented Backing Plate $19.99


    Hope this helps....



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    Re: Foam Pad Options for the Griots G9 Polisher

    More....


    And if you found this thread and don't know what tool we're talking about, it's this one!


    Griot’s Garage G9 Random Orbital Polisher $149.99


    In my opinion, this is the best short stroke, free spinning random orbital polisher in it's class. For a free spinning random oribital polisher, it has a LOT of power. If you're new to machine polishing, then perhaps you don't know, the biggest downfall for ANY brand of free spinning random oribital polisher is what we call,


    Pad Stalling



    Pad stalling is where the pad stops rotating usually due to the shape of the body panel being buffed or the user is making a mistake like too low of a speed setting, not holding the tool so the pad is flat to the surface or pressing down too hard on the tool. The Griot's G9 overcomes these issues as good or better than anything in it's category.



    For anyone NEW to machine polishing, before you jump up to the $300.00 to $500.00 tools, this is a great tool to start with. If money is not an object then my personal preference would be for a gear-driven oribital polisher like the FLEX and RUPES units as then pad stalling is never an issue. But - you're now over $400.00 for just the tool. Nothing wrong with jumping head first into a gear-driven oribital, but if you're not even sure you'll like to detail cars using a buffer, then this Grio'ts G9 is a easy way to test the waters at the $150.00 price point. For $150.00 you're getting one heck of a good tool and if you find you don't like detailing cars? You can easily sell it down the road.


    TONS of information on the AG store page for this tool.

    Griot’s Garage G9 Random Orbital Polisher


    And be sure to read my review for this tool and "yes" I tested it out on the BLOWN El Camino you see in the below picture. I don't do mock-up.


    Review: Griot's G9 - 9mm Orbit Stroke Random Orbital Polisher by Mike Phillips





    Griot's G9 - 9mm Orbit Stroke Random Orbital Polisher





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    Re: Foam Pad Options for the Griots G9 Polisher

    Mike-
    Thanks for that very informative post on pads for the G9. As usual, you go above and beyond to help us out.

    Please help me simplify and round out my polishing/finishing pad inventory.

    I recently purchased the G9. I also own the GG6 so I own a decent sized stash of thin pro's in orange, white and black. However, I have some HDO pads and as you noted, the thicker pads feel better with this machine.

    Can you tell me if my line of thinking for new pads makes sense based on below?
    - I have the blue and orange HDO pads ( 6 of each ) so I'm covered in that category ( I also have heavy cutting pads so set there as well )
    - Would it make sense to round out my pad selection by picking up some yellow and white Uro-tecs for polishing and finishing? I have one of each of the Uro-tec and they seem really nice.
    - If I was starting over I would just get all Uro-tecs as I like them the best but since I have some HDO's I will use the ones I have. I'm an enthusiast so these don't get used all that often.
    - for polishing and finishing, is 6 of each the way to go, or do you need less of them when less cut is involved?
    - Polishes I use are HD Polish+, Essence, Pinnacle Advanced Finishing Polish and M37 Jeweling Wax. Also use Speed and Blackfire One Step. I've got some big gun compounds as well but don't do that as much anymore.

    Like you stated in your post, the pad selection these days can be overwhelming. I appreciate any advice you can give me for polishing/finishing pads based on the above. I figured this is a good time to buy with the sales going on.

    Thanks again for the great info on G9 pads.

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    Re: Foam Pad Options for the Griots G9 Polisher

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    Mike-
    Thanks for that very informative post on pads for the G9. As usual, you go above and beyond to help us out.
    No problem. And it's the above kind of info you'll never see on a Facebook Group simply because the text and images in a "message" in a Facebook group cannot be formatted nor can text and pictures be placed in a linear manner.



    Quote Originally Posted by Wknd Dtlr View Post

    Please help me simplify and round out my polishing/finishing pad inventory.

    I recently purchased the G9. I also own the GG6 so I own a decent sized stash of thin pro's in orange, white and black. However, I have some HDO pads and as you noted, the thicker pads feel better with this machine.

    Can you tell me if my line of thinking for new pads makes sense based on below?

    - I have the blue and orange HDO pads ( 6 of each ) so I'm covered in that category ( I also have heavy cutting pads so set there as well )

    - Would it make sense to round out my pad selection by picking up some yellow and white Uro-tecs for polishing and finishing? I have one of each of the Uro-tec and they seem really nice.

    The yellow (polishing) and the white (finishing or waxes/sealants), pads in the Uro-Tech line are for the most part indestructible. I show this line of pads in all my classes for the first tool set we cover, short-stroke polishers. The pads are used and abused and then washed and dried in traditional top loading washer and front loading dryer. Stacked and stored and then used again. They are very nice pads for any 5" backing plate tool. The darker blue reflection artist pads are also really nice but with heat they bowl-in or deform. The maroon pads are also really nice and don't bowl-in like the blue pads so I show the maroon for any correction work. I've shared this info with B&S too.




    Quote Originally Posted by Wknd Dtlr View Post

    - If I was starting over I would just get all Uro-tecs as I like them the best but since I have some HDO's I will use the ones I have. I'm an enthusiast so these don't get used all that often.
    The SDO and HDO pads are actually GREAT pads. I just think they need to be a tick larger in diameter to maximize their ability and usefulness on the Griot's G9 and the CBEAST with it's 5" backing plate. I've shared this with Lake Country.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wknd Dtlr View Post

    - for polishing and finishing, is 6 of each the way to go, or do you need less of them when less cut is involved?
    If a person is working on neglected cars with neglected paint then this person needs a lot of cutting pads. It's the cutting or compounding/correction step where you really want to change pads often. DRY foam cutting pads cut better than wet soggy foam cutting pads.

    For polishing and finishing, you can definitely get by with less pads.

    When it comes to using a one-step cleaner/wax like BLACKFIRE One Step, 3D Speed or Meguiar's Polishing/Wax, you'll use either foam "polising" pads or foam "cutting" pads the same way you use pads when doing correction or compounding work, this means lots of pads.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wknd Dtlr View Post

    - Polishes I use are HD Polish+, Essence, Pinnacle Advanced Finishing Polish and M37 Jeweling Wax. Also use Speed and Blackfire One Step. I've got some big gun compounds as well but don't do that as much anymore.
    The blue SDO and HDO foam cutting pads have a smooth feel to the surface, so while they are "cutting" pads, I use these with AIOs. The yellow, blue and maroon pads in the B&S Uro-Tech line also all work great with AIOs BUT like mentioned, the reflection artist blue pads tend to bowl-in when heated. So I tend to use the maroon for really neglected hard paint and the yellow for really neglected soft paint.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wknd Dtlr View Post

    Like you stated in your post, the pad selection these days can be overwhelming. I appreciate any advice you can give me for polishing/finishing pads based on the above. I figured this is a good time to buy with the sales going on.

    Thanks again for the great info on G9 pads.
    You're welcome and you can never have too many pads.


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    Re: Foam Pad Options for the Griots G9 Polisher

    Wow, Mike - that was an awesome response!

    One quick follow up question....Is the white Uro-Tec pad useful for something like Essence or Advanced Finishing Polish on a well maintained vehicle, or is it really just for wax application? Trying to mimic something like the Carpro Gloss pad. I appreciate your patience with my questions becasue as an enthusiast I don't get a whole lot of time to experiment and I'm trying to get away from having a million random pads in my cabinet that don't get used!

    Thanks again, Mike.

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    Re: Foam Pad Options for the Griots G9 Polisher

    More....


    I have a brand new article on the 5 inch backing plate for the G9 here,

    Backing Plate Swap - 5 inch backing plate for the Griot's Garage G9






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