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    Re: The case against multi-year ceramic paint coatings - Road Grime = Surface Staining Daily Drivers by Mike Phillips

    Quote Originally Posted by pilotpip View Post
    Last night I was sitting here at about 11 with a cart full of coating products. First McKees, then Blackfire, then back to the McKees, then back to Blackfire. Watching the timer wind down on a 25% off sale and trying to decide what to do.

    Then I remembered this thread.

    After some good discussion with desertnate, who lives not too far from me and has used a variety of coatings in the price range I was considering I decided to stick with the same routine on my new truck that was working on my old one. An AIO in the spring, and a durable sealant in the fall. My truck gets used as a truck. It goes off road, it goes down logging roads. It gets scuffs and scratches. I need to do at least some correction every spring after it gets beat up during deer season. Instead I spent less, which keeps the Mrs. happy, and went with what I know works for me. I also find the process almost therapeutic. I can't hear the kids screaming when the polisher is running!

    No matter which route I take, it's still one of the best looking vehicles in the work parking lot, and I know it's protected from the elements.
    I went through the same ordeal and landed up grabbing some McKee's 360 cleaner wax and hi-def sealant during the liquidation sale. I plan on following a schedule similar to yours; AIO in the spring, sealant applied twice over the summer and fall. That's it. As much as I enjoy this hobby I need to try to keep things simple this year.

    I'm happy to see cleaner waxes like the turtle wax product still being developed and released. I'll always find a place for a product that lets me refresh well-maintained paint and walk away. I grabbed new 12-pack of LC white pads and I'm actually looking forward to polishing in a couple of weeks.

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    Re: The case against multi-year ceramic paint coatings - Road Grime = Surface Staining Daily Drivers by Mike Phillips

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    I wish I would have taken some pictures. The daily driver I did had not been polished in two years. It was NOT neglected, well protected, and washed fairly regularly. However it was driven through all four seasons in the midwest and I still pulled out road grime from the lower panels. Not nearly as dramatic as the pictures in this thread but it was there.

    Here's the thing though this was not a lot of work. We're talking about a production buff; fast arm speed, minimal section passes, lots of product, lots of pads with a cleaner/wax. Since I'm not chasing RIDS we're just cleaning up light toweling marks. I wasn't timing myself but probably 4-5 hours to do everything including wash, decon, windows, etc. Vehicle is back to 90-95% and good for another year.

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    Re: The case against multi-year ceramic paint coatings - Road Grime = Surface Staining Daily Drivers by Mike Phillips

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    I wish I would have taken some pictures.

    The daily driver I did had not been polished in two years. It was NOT neglected, well protected, and washed fairly regularly.

    However it was driven through all four seasons in the midwest and I still pulled out road grime from the lower panels. Not nearly as dramatic as the pictures in this thread but it was there.


    Thanks for sharing!


    We always regret not taking the "before" shots.

    At least I do.



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    Re: The case against multi-year ceramic paint coatings - Road Grime = Surface Staining Daily Drivers by Mike Phillips

    My $.02 cents worth here. Wheel acid works wonders for contamination build up on painted panels that are protected with Feynlab coatings . Also, the best surface prep I have found (and also the original!!) is Duragloss's Squeaky Clean. AG used to sell it; I don't see it listed anymore.

    1060 – Squeaky Clean Surface Prep 4oz – Duragloss

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    Re: The case against multi-year ceramic paint coatings - Road Grime = Surface Staining Daily Drivers by Mike Phillips

    That BMW looked 100 percent better after you guys were done with it! NICE article Mike!


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    Re: The case against multi-year ceramic paint coatings - Road Grime = Surface Staining Daily Drivers by Mike Phillips

    Dr. Beasley's Nano-Resin Hydrophobic coating states as follows:

    Dr. Beasley's Nano-Resin Hydrophobic Coating is a semi-permanent paint coating designed to provide the longest lasting paint protection possible. Protecting against UV rays, marring, staining, and damage from airborne contaminants, Dr. Beasley's Nano-Resin Hydrophobic Coating creates a 2 micron thick coating layer in just one application. Keep your paint as protected as possible with Dr. Beasley's Nano-Resin Hydrophobic Coating!

    Even though it boasts stain resisting properties do you think the coating will still get stained over time by film or road grime, but this will happen at a slower rate?

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    Re: The case against multi-year ceramic paint coatings - Road Grime = Surface Staining Daily Drivers by Mike Phillips

    If it wasn't for road grime (I'm on a 31 hr cross country drive now) I'd have nothing to do and would have to find another hobby to kill time.

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    Re: The case against multi-year ceramic paint coatings - Road Grime = Surface Staining Daily Drivers by Mike Phillips

    Quote Originally Posted by richy View Post

    My $.02 cents worth here.

    Wheel acid works wonders for contamination build up on painted panels that are protected with Feynlab coatings . Also, the best surface prep I have found (and also the original!!) is Duragloss's Squeaky Clean. AG used to sell it; I don't see it listed anymore.

    Just to note - anytime you're using an acidic wheel cleaner for anything, including cleaning wheels. Be sure to use the appropriate personal protective equipmnet or PPE. Things like eye protection, gloves, apron, water-proof work shoes, etc.

    Check to find out what type of acid is being used in the wheel cleaner. Some chrome wheel cleaners may use Hydrofloric Acid, which is very dangerous if not used safely or without the correct PPE. Some wheel cleaners like Meguiar's Wheel Brightner use Ammonium bifluoride and while not as dangerous as Hydrloric Acid, you still need to treat it accordingly and take the proper safety precautions for yourself, your employees or even people around you in the work areas.


    Here's a thread with LOTS of information about Hydrofloric Acid as used in wheel cleaners.

    Hydrofluoric Acid to clean wheels?


    See posts #4,

    And #8 and #18 - from PiPUK who I remember to be a chemist.

    And posts #11 and #23 From Bob aka FUNX650


    And posts #15 from David Hayward, a Trained First Responder


    Post #19 from jfelbab

    Post #24 - this one might scare you enough to wear the proper mask or face shield



    My comment?

    Everyone can do as they wish. I know over time road film or Traffic Film as our friends across the pond call it, builds-up on any exterior cars surface, (we all focus on the paint but if it's on the paint isn't it on everything?), and for me I simply think the best way to deal with it on car paint is to re-polish and then re-seal the surface.

    Spraying a harsh chemical on to car paint won't make the paint more glossy or more shiny or more protected.

    What is the opposite of the word more.



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