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    Re: The #7 Rub Down Technique by Mike Phillips

    Can I use this procedure for Meguias #305 or would work best using a polisher?

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    Re: The #7 Rub Down Technique by Mike Phillips

    Quote Originally Posted by crrdvr6 View Post

    Can I use this procedure for Meguiars #305 or would work best using a polisher?

    You're question is confusing?

    First - What are you working on?

    (for some reason no one ever mentions this?)



    If you're asking can you SUBSTITUTE Meguiar's #305 for Meguiar's #7 then the answer is "no" not if your goal is to restore antique paint using the best product for the job.

    The best product for the job is #7.


    If you're asking if you can machine apply #7 to restore antique paint you can but somewhere on this forum I've explained in detail for restoring antique paint the best approach is the safe approach and the old-fashioned approach and that's to rub the paint by hand using cotton terrycloth.

    If you're asking can you machine apply M305 to restore antique paint see both answers above.


    If you're asking if you can machine apply M305 to a new car with modern paint then the answer is "yes" and this probably isn't the thread for that question as this thread is about restoring original, single stage paint.


    Hope that helps...


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    Sorry for the confusion, my car is 24 years old. I have #305 and was wondering if I can apply a heavy coat, wait, then remove it by hand or would #305 work best with a polisher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crrdvr6 View Post

    Sorry for the confusion, my car is 24 years old. I have #305 and was wondering if I can apply a heavy coat, wait, then remove it by hand or would #305 work best with a polisher.

    What condition is the paint in?

    What is it you're trying to accompish with the heavy applicaton of M305?

    Does this car have single stage paint or does it have a modern clearcoat?

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    The #7 Rub Down Technique by Mike Phillips

    Mike I have a 1965 Piper Cherokee. Single stage white paint with some red and brown stripes. Would this be the right thing to use before topping with collinite 845? The paint is in fair condition.....It's still shiny in some places and dull in others. My only worry is that I am not sure if it's compatible with aluminum. Any tips for polishing/waxing airplanes?

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    Re: The #7 Rub Down Technique by Mike Phillips

    Quote Originally Posted by alexaggie View Post
    Mike I have a 1965 Piper Cherokee. Single stage white paint with some red and brown stripes.

    Would this be the right thing to use before topping with Collinite 845?

    The paint is in fair condition.....It's still shiny in some places and dull in others.

    My only worry is that I am not sure if it's compatible with aluminum.

    Any tips for polishing/waxing airplanes?

    Hi Alex,

    I just now found your post.

    Sometimes it's better to start a new and dedicated thread versus tagging your post onto an existing thread.

    Simply because it can be overlooked (by accident).



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    Re: The #7 Rub Down Technique by Mike Phillips

    Quote Originally Posted by alexaggie View Post

    Mike I have a 1965 Piper Cherokee. Single stage white paint with some red and brown stripes.

    Does it look something like this?









    Quote Originally Posted by alexaggie View Post

    Would this be the right thing to use before topping with Collinite 845? The paint is in fair condition.....It's still shiny in some places and dull in others.
    Yes with a qualifier.

    My original how-to article on how to restore single stage paint states,


    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Phillips

    What to do

    If preserving the original paint is important to you then the first thing you want to do is condition the paint before working on it. Most people just jump right in and start rubbing some type of abrasive compound over old, dry, fragile paint and this will remove a lot of paint quickly and possible remove too much. Instead, take the extra step of conditioning the paint and bring it back to life with product that's been around since cars and thus car paints have been around.

    Note the word important is bold and red.

    My point is, the technique I share for restoring antique paint is really only for people that the thing they are working on is IMPORTANT to them.

    If your answer is "yes" then I say yes! use this technique to restore and revitalize the paint before waxing.



    Here's the link to the article,

    The Secret to Removing Oxidation and Restoring a Show Car Finish to Antique Single Stage Paints


    Quote Originally Posted by alexaggie View Post

    My only worry is that I am not sure if it's compatible with aluminum.
    Well you're not really working on aluminum but the paint on the aluminum. Either way, #7 is compatible with the paint on your 1965 Piper Cherokee and if there's any exposed aluminum surfaces it will cause no harm.


    Quote Originally Posted by alexaggie View Post

    Any tips for polishing/waxing airplanes?

    Yes. Avoid using anything aggressive in the way of products, pads and tools on airplanes. Most plane designs include overlapping aluminum panels with an exposed hard edge and also rivets.

    If you buff over these things you will likely remove the paint and expose bare aluminum. The ISSUE is it's pretty much impossible to hand or machine polish an airplane without rubbing over the these surfaces.

    Without seeing the plane here's my guess. If you rub the paint down with the #7 and some cotton terry cloth you should be able to remove any chalky oxidation. Then seal the paint with the wax.

    If rubbing with the #7 and some cotton terrycloth doesn't remove the oxidation then you'll have to use something more aggressive like a polish.

    I'd suggest trying the #7 and the terrycloth first and see what you can do.

    As for tool, I'd highly recommend using a Porter Cable 7424XP or a tool like it, for example the Griot's Garage 6" DA polisher. (same type of tool just different manufacturer)


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    Yes sir! Thats what it looks like! Thanks so much for taking the time to answer in so much depth. I really appreciate it! I got a PC from you guys a couple of weeks ago and hopefully can get to work on it this week. The paint is only really important to me because of the cost of getting it painted, but that makes it important enough!

    Thanks again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexaggie View Post

    Yes sir! Thats what it looks like!

    Thanks so much for taking the time to answer in so much depth. I really appreciate it!
    No problemo... that's what a good car detailing forum is about...

    helping others to be successful in their garage or in your case in your airport hanger!



    Quote Originally Posted by alexaggie View Post

    I got a PC from you guys a couple of weeks ago and hopefully can get to work on it this week.

    The paint is only really important to me because of the cost of getting it painted, but that makes it important enough!


    Thanks again!

    I think I speak for everyone here on the forum that we would love to see some pictures.


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    Re: The #7 Rub Down Technique by Mike Phillips

    Work is slow going, but I think I have my process down and am getting pretty good results. Have only gotten the wings and elevator done so far. Fuselage will be this coming week. Clay pad followed by #7 rubdown with a coating of collinite seems to get me the results I am looking for! Thanks again for your help!

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    As I said, the main point was to rejuvenate the paint and get some UV protection. Polish and shine were secondary, but were much better than my expectations! Will post once everything is done. It's amazing how much surface area there is!
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