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    Re: Beginning Clearcoat Failure

    the good thing is usually it occurs on upper surfaces that are flat. obviously, this is because they take the most beating from the sun and atmosphere, and being horizontal allow things to sit and attack the paint. if it's a hood or trunk, it is an isolated piece and doesn't have to be blended as long as you have a competent pro handling the paint system. roofs are a different story for some cars since the c pillar can run down into the rear quarter. this isn't always true, of course, as many cars have roof moldings that make the roof essentially an isolated square, with a window molding to the front, a window molding to the rear, and a roof molding on each side.
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    Mike - in talking about clear coat failure - is there any way to prevent it?Do the various high quality waxes and sealants we discuss here stave off the failure or are we only prolonging the inevitable?

    I have a Honda in perfect shape after 3 years but feel it might be like cancer in a family's genes - am I predisposed to get it later on? I'm keeping this car....
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    Re: Beginning Clearcoat Failure

    Hi Mike,

    I would like to contribute to this thread. What do you think of these pictures?





    The pictures look similar to the Saturn you posted in your original post. At the time I polished the car, it took 3 section passes to clear it up with M83. When I saw the car a year later, the CC eventually failed - it was peeling.

    Would you consider this the beginning of CC failure?

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    Re: Beginning Clearcoat Failure

    Quote Originally Posted by glen e View Post

    Mike - in talking about clear coat failure - is there any way to prevent it?

    There's only three people that I've ever spoken to that are knowledgeable about clear coat paint technology and what causes them to fail, these would be,

    Dr. David Ghodoussi
    Claude Sevigny
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    The primary causes of clear coat failure are,

    • Exposure to UV light, the closer to the sun the more damaging the effects, this means geographical locations nearest the equator.

    • Too thin of a top coat - Top Coat = the clear layer of paint.

    • Neglect and extreme neglect of the top coat.

    • Using harsh chemicals and incorrectly using abrasive products.

    • Swirled and scratched paint - Swirls and scratches in the paint open the paint up allowing corrosive elements to more easily deteriorate the paint faster.




    You can only control a few of the above factors so do the best you can with what you do have control over.


    The only rant anyone ever sees me go on is when I rant about car manufactures not putting more clear paint on their cars at the factory level.

    In a perfect world, at least companies like Ford, Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Nissan, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda, etc. should provide their customers the option to order their car with an extra coat or two of clear paint instead of the cover coats that are the industry norm.



    Quote Originally Posted by glen e View Post

    Do the various high quality waxes and sealants we discuss here stave off the failure or are we only prolonging the inevitable?
    Nothing outside of a garage or carport will block 100 percent of everything that will attack your car. If you're into vinyl wraps that would be a way to protect the paint but you wouldn't actually see the paint.

    Dr. David Ghodoussi has a product called Optimum Car Wax which uses a patented UV protection ingredient and process that offers the same UV protection as the UV protection ingredients used in the actual clear layer of paint on your car.

    Plus, while I know most people think a spray on wax is a glorified spray detailer, this particular wax really does leave the UV protection ingredients on the surface.

    If the ingredients were part of a traditional paste wax or liquid wax, when you wiped off the excess residue you would wipe off the protection ingredients.

    Could type more on this by have other projects to get back to.




    Oh yeah... I think I touch on the above on one of our upcoming TV show episodes... not deep but I do use and show the OPT Car Wax.


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    Re: Beginning Clearcoat Failure

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc08EX View Post


    The pictures look similar to the Saturn you posted in your original post. At the time I polished the car, it took 3 section passes to clear it up with M83. When I saw the car a year later, the CC eventually failed - it was peeling.

    Would you consider this the beginning of CC failure?

    Yes. The hazy appearance and the way it's starting to take on a opaque look are signs of beginning clear coat failure.


    Thanks for adding this to the thread.


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    Re: Beginning Clearcoat Failure

    Note the chemist that makes Optimum products also worked on creating the resin technology for modern clear coat paints.


    Optimum Polymer Technologies


    Dr. David Ghodoussi - PhD Organic chemist



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    Re: Beginning Clearcoat Failure

    I had a customer call me, asking if I would wets and the clear off of the car and polish the color. I thought it was a prank at first, I politely declined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCC View Post
    I had a customer call me, asking if I would wets and the clear off of the car and polish the color. I thought it was a prank at first, I politely declined.

    That was the right thing to do because there's no way it was ever going to look good and you were never going to make the owner happy.


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    Re: Beginning Clearcoat Failure

    Here's a few photo's of a dark blue Buick Regal GS having the beginning stages of clear coat failure. Feel free to use these any time you like, Mike.

    Top right, rear, near the top of the back window.




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    Re: Beginning Clearcoat Failure

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoytman View Post

    Here's a few photo's of a dark blue Buick Regal GS having the beginning stages of clear coat failure. Feel free to use these any time you like, Mike.

    Top right, rear, near the top of the back window.

    Thank you sir!


    My neighbor's black Corvette sits in full-on Florida sunshine and the black paint is turning white. Next it will start flaking off.

    I'll take a few pictures for posterity.


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