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    Re: Still have some questions on Geyon Product Comparisons

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    Hello all,

    I have questions/doubts regarding the following Gyeon products comparison:

    DURABEAD: MOHS Q2 + BEAD
    MOHS +: BASE Q2 + PHOBIC
    DURAFLEX: BASE Q2 + FLEXI

    What are the differences between them in concept?

    and in terms of:

    -base coating MOHS Q2 versus BASE Q2

    -Easier/ difficult to apply
    -"Harder" coating
    -Longer lasting
    -Layers to apply
    -Paint protection
    -wet effect and shine
    -etc

    My intention is to use it on a metallic blue car (BMW Le Mans Blau)

    Thanks in advance for your comments
    As said below, the products you are mentioning are only available within the GYEON Certified Detailer Program and not available on the open market. But to offer some information:

    - Q2 MOHS and Q2 BASE are quite different, but designed along the same path. Q2 BASE is a highly reactive single layer base coating designed only to be used in conjunction with a top coat. It is extremely durable and capable in terms of environmental protection and certainly the most advanced coating within the GYEON line.

    The difference between Q2 MOHS+ and Q2 DURAFLEX (both using Q2 BASE) are the top coats included in each kit. They are quite different. The outer layer is the layer that see's the world and these two top coats present two very different sets of characteristics.

    Flexi: Silicone based top coat, high gloss, very high in water beading, and extremely slick (this is the key factor)
    Phobic: SiO2 based, high gloss, very chemical resistant, designed to promote more sheeting and evacuation of contaminant

    Q2 DURABEAD uses 2 layers of the existing Q2 MOHS as the base coating and is topped with Q2 BEAD, which is a fluorine based top coat, does not apply a true additional layer but is a chemical reaction with the underlying Q2 MOHS to promote even more beading and self cleaning.

    For the Certified Detailers, the choice comes down to the individual shop in terms of which product they choose to install and when, which is usually dictated by the specific climate the vehicles operate in and how they are used. Different approach to a daily driver vs a weekend toy car for example. Or different approach for a fair weather car vs a daily driver seeing all 4 seasons.

    Hope that helps!

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    Re: Still have some questions on Geyon Product Comparisons

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    Wouldn't CanCoat fit that requirement?
    Perhaps but Skin just makes the paint so slick and so hydrophobic I wish that was available to be used with other products or even by itself. My Syncro coating is 5 months old so it's going great at this point but will be sad when it doesn't react the same way and I can't just re-apply Skin over it. I guess at that point I would consider CanCoat.
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    Re: Still have some questions on Geyon Product Comparisons

    Slickness is all a matter of opinion, but CanCoat is in no way grabby. As far as the hydrophobic properties, the only think I've experienced which comes close is CQuartz UK. It's pretty amazing. From a durability standpoint, it might be a wash between Skin and CanCoat, but I'm going on six months right now with CanCoat and its still going strong.

    Due to the lack of Skin being available for sale by itself, it might be a better bet to go with Mohs and top with CanCoat since CanCoat is readily available and seems to offer a nearly identical experience.
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    Re: Still have some questions on Geyon Product Comparisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Desertnate View Post
    Wouldn't CanCoat fit that requirement?
    Skin is the slickest top coat I’ve used and there is no comparison when it comes to CanCoat in that regard.

    Skin is also more hydrophobic that CanCoat. Not to mention a better self cleaning effect.

    The downside is the Skin seems to fizzle out around the 6-7 month time frame from my experience. Budget experienced the same thing.

    CanCoat is fantastic. I got 15 months paired with Gyeon Primer Polish.

    CanCoat is a good choice to top Mohs since the water behavior of Mohs is a bit underwhelming. Let’s not forget the topper Booster which is a fluorine based top coat.

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    Re: Still have some questions on Geyon Product Comparisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff at Gyeon View Post
    As said below, the products you are mentioning are only available within the GYEON Certified Detailer Program and not available on the open market. But to offer some information:

    - Q2 MOHS and Q2 BASE are quite different, but designed along the same path. Q2 BASE is a highly reactive single layer base coating designed only to be used in conjunction with a top coat. It is extremely durable and capable in terms of environmental protection and certainly the most advanced coating within the GYEON line.

    The difference between Q2 MOHS+ and Q2 DURAFLEX (both using Q2 BASE) are the top coats included in each kit. They are quite different. The outer layer is the layer that see's the world and these two top coats present two very different sets of characteristics.

    Flexi: Silicone based top coat, high gloss, very high in water beading, and extremely slick (this is the key factor)
    Phobic: SiO2 based, high gloss, very chemical resistant, designed to promote more sheeting and evacuation of contaminant

    Q2 DURABEAD uses 2 layers of the existing Q2 MOHS as the base coating and is topped with Q2 BEAD, which is a fluorine based top coat, does not apply a true additional layer but is a chemical reaction with the underlying Q2 MOHS to promote even more beading and self cleaning.

    For the Certified Detailers, the choice comes down to the individual shop in terms of which product they choose to install and when, which is usually dictated by the specific climate the vehicles operate in and how they are used. Different approach to a daily driver vs a weekend toy car for example. Or different approach for a fair weather car vs a daily driver seeing all 4 seasons.

    Hope that helps!
    Thanks for the info.

    I was aware they were for certfied detailers, but I was interested in understanding the differences.

    I used Q2 Mohs Kit, the best available at that time, with great results.

    I wanted to have all the information to decide if it´s worthy to get the car done by a certified detailer with those products or doing again myself the treatment with the open market available products.

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    Re: Still have some questions on Geyon Product Comparisons

    Quote Originally Posted by E295 View Post
    Thanks for the info.

    I was aware they were for certfied detailers, but I was interested in understanding the differences.

    I used Q2 Mohs Kit, the best available at that time, with great results.

    I wanted to have all the information to decide if it´s worthy to get the car done by a certified detailer with those products or doing again myself the treatment with the open market available products.
    Based on a daily use car, I think my choice would be Q2 Mohs+ (cert. detailer) or Q2 Mohs with cancoat.

    Also very atractive Syncro but after some months, with not SKIN available for reload, will be a problem. May be not a good idea to use cancoat on top of syncro after 6/8 months.

    I have very little free time so one of my priorities is the long lasting of the treatment.

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