Blackfire paint cleaner. Help!

**sonors** · 05-01-2018, 08:55 AM

Just bought Blackfire Paint Cleaner. Tried using it with a D/A polisher and could not buff it off without it leaving streaks and haziness. Followed directions on bottle. Had to use M205 to get it clear. Applied manually and unless I just wiped it on and then took it off IMMEDIATELY it would still streak and haze. What am I doing wrong?

**Paul A.** · 05-01-2018, 09:20 AM

I would ask a few questions...

What was used before Paint Cleaner? What make, age and type of paint? Also what climatic conditions are you in?

How are you specifically using Paint Cleaner i.e. Machine, pad choice, how much product and section pass technique?

Did you try it again after 205?

**sonors** · 05-01-2018, 09:25 AM

Washed first with CG soap. Clayed next. !0 year old black Infiniti paint. Used a PC D/A with a white pad. 2x2 foot section. Used amount of product specified on bottle. 4 dime sized drops I believe. Weather was perfect. Did work in my garage.

**Chopper280** · 05-01-2018, 09:46 AM

I really like this product and have had good success with it. You said wipe off immediately and that's what I do.
Before it even starts to really haze over I wipe it off with a microfiber towel.
I have to ask this. You are not trying to machine buff it off r u?

**sonors** · 05-01-2018, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by Chopper280

I really like this product and have had good success with it. You said wipe off immediately and that's what I do.
Before it even starts to really haze over I wipe it off with a microfiber towel.
I have to ask this. You are not trying to machine buff it off r u?

No. I tried to apply with the D/A and remove with mf towel. Could not get it to come off clean. Also, if having to apply and wipe off so quickly how can the fillers do their thing?

Mike Phillips · 05-01-2018, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by sonors

!0 year old black Infiniti paint.

What is the car?

Did you mean 10 year old paint? As in a car from 2008?

What you typed was an exclamation point followed by a zero --> !0

I'm starting to wonder if this car has the infamous self-healing paint which is one of the worst paint systems ever invented and put on a car.

Go to Google and type in,

self healing paint infinity

Or type in,

self healing paint infinity mike Phillips

And you'll get his results

Swirls on '08 Infiniti G37s - Self-Healing Paint ?

**Chopper280** · 05-01-2018, 10:00 AM

By the time one panel is polished drying is well on its way.
Sorry but this a new problem to me but things like this happen.
There is probably one thing causing the problem.

Mike Phillips · 05-01-2018, 10:00 AM

Sounds like the paint is soft and if this is the case, get some BLACKFIRE Polish and skip the paint cleaner.

I type this all the time, here goes again,

A paint cleaner is an either/or product.

You either use a paint cleaner or a polish but you don't use or need both as this is redundant. Here's the deal. A high quality polish will do EVERYTHING a paint cleaner will do and more as it will actually remove defects. A paint cleaner only cleans the surface. It requires just as much time and work to apply both so might as well apply the polish and actually get better results for your time, money and energy.

FWIW

I never use paint cleaners. I'll either use a true polish or a one-step cleaner/wax.

If this paint ends up being finicky, you might like the new Pinnacle Jewelling Wax.

**sonors** · 05-01-2018, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Mike Phillips

What is the car?

Did you mean 10 year old paint? As in a car from 2008?

What you typed was an exclamation point followed by a zero --> !0

I'm starting to wonder if this car has the infamous self-healing paint which is one of the worst paint systems ever invented and put on a car.

Go to Google and type in,

self healing paint infinity

Or type in,

self healing paint infinity mike Phillips

And you'll get his results

Swirls on '08 Infiniti G37s - Self-Healing Paint ?

10 years. typo. I saw some stuff about the "self healing" clear. Not sure if my car has it. I bought it used recently. Also it is my understanding that after 3 years or so, the self healing aspect of the clear is gone. I have been able to use M205 with success on this car.

**sonors** · 05-01-2018, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Mike Phillips

Sounds like the paint is soft and if this is the case, get some BLACKFIRE Polish and skip the paint cleaner.

I type this all the time, here goes again,

A paint cleaner is an either/or product.

You either use a paint cleaner or a polish but you don't use or need both as this is redundant. Here's the deal. A high quality polish will do EVERYTHING a paint cleaner will do and more as it will actually remove defects. A paint cleaner only cleans the surface. It requires just as much time and work to apply both so might as well apply the polish and actually get better results for your time, money and energy.

FWIW

I never use paint cleaners. I'll either use a true polish or a one-step cleaner/wax.

If this paint ends up being finicky, you might like the new Pinnacle Jewelling Wax.

I polished this in February right after I got it. Decided switch to a sealant so I wanted to be sure I had a good surface to apply it to. Figured I'd save clear coat by using a non-abrasive cleaner.