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    Re: What constitutes a "well-ventilated area" for FK1000P?

    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishRider View Post
    I did look at my McKee's 360 bottle,
    and while it does have the usual cautions,
    it doesn't have the same level of warning
    that is on the FK1000P. And it's also
    California VOC compliant.
    I rely more on the Safety & Health
    information that's contained within
    detailing-products' SDS sheets than
    what's on their bottles' labels.


    Finish Kare's 1000P's SDS is easily
    obtained; would you happen to have
    the SDS document(s) for McKee's 360
    that you can share? TIA.


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    Re: What constitutes a "well-ventilated area" for FK1000P?

    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishRider View Post
    I'm certainly not looking to get into an argument, but I attached two pics of the warnings on the label of FK1000P. It says:

    Attachment 59379Attachment 59380

    It goes on to say not to breathe the fumes, and to use only outdoors or in a well-ventilated area.

    I did look at my McKee's 360 bottle, and while it does have the usual cautions, it doesn't have the same level of warning that is on the FK1000P. And it's also California VOC compliant.

    I won't give up on it just yet- I actually like the idea of using it to top my M37 360 for very long durability and protection... but I may also try to use fans or something to get some air flow in my garage when working with it.
    Most of these chemical products have Safety Data Sheets published and available to the public.

    If you compare FK1000P to 476S the difference is significant in terms of safety warnings.

    FK1000P: https://rawmaterialsuppliers.com/wp-...SDS.pdf?afd0e0

    476S: https://cdn.karfa.is/files/1210/L476...lecoatSDS1.pdf

    FK1000P lists solvent naphtha which is a chemical mixture in quantity of 5%-65%.

    From the FK1000P safety data sheet:
    TOXICITY DATA:
    1,2,4-trimethylbenzene 95-63-6 LC50 Inhalation – Rat 2900 ppm
    Cumene 98-82-8 LD50 Oral – Rat 2,260 mg/kg
    Xylene 1330-20-7 LD50 Oral – Rat 2,100 mg/kgSUSPECTED CANCER AGENT: Components of this product are listed by agencies tracking the carcinogenic potential of
    chemical compounds:
    Naphtha CAS# 8030-30-6 (contains Benzene)
    IARC: 1 - Group 1: Carcinogenic to humans (Benzene)
    NTP: Known to be human carcinogen (Benzene)
    Cumene CAS# 98-82-8
    IARC: 2B - Group 2B: Possibly Carcinogenic to humans (Cumene)
    IRRITANCY OF PRODUCT: This product may be irritating to eyes and skin.
    SENSITIZATION TO THE PRODUCT: None known
    REPRODUCTIVE TOXICITY INFORMATION: Listed below is information concerning the effects of this product and its
    components on the human reproductive system.
    Mutagenicity: Components of this product are reported to produce mutagenic effects in humans.
    Embryotoxicity: The components of this product are not reported to produce embryotoxic effects in humans.
    Teratogenicity: The components of this product are not reported to produce teratogenic effects in humans.
    Reproductive Toxicity: The components of this product are reported to produce reproductive effects in humans.

    From the 476S data sheet
    Acute toxicity
    No data available
    Skin corrosion/irritation
    Rabbit: no skin irritation 4 hr
    Serious eye damage/irritation: no eye irritation
    Respiratory or skin sensitization
    Draize Test - Guinea pig: does not cause skin sensitization
    Germ cell mutagenicity
    Reverse mutation assay - S. typhimurium: negative
    Carcinogenicity IARC Group 3, not classifiable as to its carcinogenicity to humans.
    NTP No component of this product present at levels greater than or equal to 0.1% is identified as a known or anticipated carcinogen.
    OSHA No component of this product present at levels greater than or equal to 0.1% is identified as a known or anticipated carcinogen.
    Reproductive toxicity . No data available
    Specific target organ toxicity, single exposure
    No data available
    Specific target organ toxicity, repeated exposure
    No data available


    Basically, your nose is a pretty good leading indicator of a potential problem. The safety data sheet is there to confirm or resolve any suspicions about what your nose is telling you. When I see the word, "benzene" I tend to take it very seriously.

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    Re: What constitutes a "well-ventilated area" for FK1000P?

    Quote Originally Posted by Route246 View Post
    When I see the word, "benzene"
    I tend to take it very seriously.
    Your brow must really be furrowed,
    whenever you must pump gasoline!


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    Re: What constitutes a "well-ventilated area" for FK1000P?

    Quote Originally Posted by FUNX650 View Post
    Your brow must really be furrowed,
    whenever you must pump gasoline!


    Bob
    In CA there are mandatory vapor recovery systems on all gas pumps. I haven't smelled gasoline vapors in decades since they started mandating those.

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    Re: What constitutes a "well-ventilated area" for FK1000P?

    Wow, the difference between the FK1000P and the Collinite MSDSs that you posted are significant. I'll have to look into that product and see if it's a good fit to top my 360 without all the harsh effects of the FK1000P. Have you used 476S? Any thoughts on it?

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    Re: What constitutes a "well-ventilated area" for FK1000P?

    It depends on the space. You can get machines that suck all the air out of a confined space. If you're in a garage obviously just having the door up would prob be enough.

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    Re: What constitutes a "well-ventilated area" for FK1000P?

    Quote Originally Posted by FUNX650 View Post
    Your brow must really be furrowed,
    whenever you must pump gasoline!


    Bob
    You don't usually get gasoline on your skin when you're pumping it though.

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    Re: What constitutes a "well-ventilated area" for FK1000P?

    Quote Originally Posted by fightnews View Post
    You don't usually get gasoline on your
    skin when you're pumping it though.
    AHA! You're one of those guys
    that doesn't wear the proper
    PPE gloves whenever you are
    detailing vehicles: Good to know...


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    Re: What constitutes a "well-ventilated area" for FK1000P?

    Quote Originally Posted by Route246 View Post
    In CA there are mandatory vapor
    recovery systems on all gas pumps.

    I haven't smelled gasoline vapors
    in decades since they started
    mandating those.
    I find it kind of sad that, for decades,
    you have confined your overland travels
    to only within the state of CA.


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    Re: What constitutes a "well-ventilated area" for FK1000P?

    Quote Originally Posted by FUNX650 View Post
    I find it kind of sad that, for decades,
    you have confined your overland travels
    to only within the state of CA.


    Bob
    Just returned from a cross country drive. Pumped gas in 14 states. Many have vapor recovery systems, some do not. Even where they don't have them the 50-state requirement standard for 13/16" filler creates a better seal coupled to the vapor recovery tank under the hood which results in very little vapor escaping because most pump nozzles have very little play in them.

    Don't be sad. Early in my career I was a young road warrior and did enough miles to last a lifetime. They don't hand out these Lifetime Gold 1 Million Mile memberships anymore (see attachment) but AA was the only program that did so I feel fortunate to retain this from all of those long trips to all points in the world.

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