Opticoat 2.0 discontinued, OptiCoat Pro sees price increase

[Flash Gordon]

@ David from Optimum - If you really believe in your product and insist that it is Permanent, why limit the warranty to 5 years?

Call Dr G - ask him how long OCP or 2.0 last on the paint. He will tell you permanent.

I'm sure he's about as interested in me calling him as I am him calling me ...

[tdekany]

@ David from Optimum - If you really believe in your product and insist that it is Permanent, why limit the warranty to 5 years?





I'm sure he's about as interested in me calling him as I am him calling me ...

You would be surprised. Why wouldn't he be interested in talking with you?

[tdekany]

You are local to him? Why not visit?

[builthatch]

@ David from Optimum - If you really believe in your product and insist that it is Permanent, why limit the warranty to 5 years?

his description above explains it.

the top coats aka clear coats we polish (and coat) on our cars (regarded as a permanent coating as per industry standards) don't have a lifetime warranty either.

something everyone HAS to remember is this isn't some hack in his garage coming up with these chemicals and making outrageous claims. he's a polymer chemistry PhD and paint/coating industry veteran with a real lab and real standards. not detailing product standards (there are none lol), paint/coating industry standards. everything he releases goes through these industry-standard tests en route to the final product being released. that is why he explained what he did and cited why he calls it permanent. he's not taking someone's product from Asia and hyping it up. he makes it, tests it and knows exactly what it's capable of.

You are local to him? Why not visit?

i was going to say the same thing lol

[allenk4]

Sounds like you are trying to learn everything about each product before you make a decision between going with GC or OCP. I'd suggest to go with OCP. That is what is on our brand new car.


I am pretty sure you are intelligent enough to figure that one out. Do you get powertrain warranty if you do the maintenance? Of course not. Same with exterior protection. No matter how much you train/educate the customer, for most, how they actually treat the finish is very different from how the paint "should" be maintained. Even with all the abuse that most cars go through, Optimum is confident enough that for 5 years the coating will hold up enough to their standards. Either way, (unless you have the coating compounded off) the coating is on the finish. You did read Dr G's post above right?

Don't forget to post pictures of your freshly coated car!!!

- I am not trying to decide between OCP and GC. Would never pay an installer to apply a coating

- OCP has maintenance requirements as part of their Warranty requirements, so I don't understand the analogy in your 2nd paragraph

- I did read Dr. G's post in this thread as well as his post on the OPT Forum



My suspicion of all claims from OPT regarding their coatings comes from the 2 micron thickness claim for OC2. I feel like they know that the product was never 2 microns. They have denied to me in an email that the ever claimed 2 microns:

"Optimum has never stated that Opti-Coat adds 2 microns to paint."

This statement can easily be found on their own website

LINK

[allenk4]

something everyone HAS to remember is this isn't some hack in his garage coming up with these chemicals and making outrageous claims. he's a polymer chemistry PhD and paint/coating industry veteran with a real lab and real standards. not detailing product standards (there are none lol), paint/coating industry standards. everything he releases goes through these industry-standard tests en route to the final product being released.

I am very interested in these "paint/coating industry standards"

Specifically, how they are applied to the claims made by OPT for their coating longevity and thickness

This is probably the one that is most directly related to longevity:

D1014 - 09 Standard Practice for Conducting Exterior Exposure Tests of Paints and Coatings on Metal Substrates


Sounds like you have a lot of inside information

[tdekany]

- I am not trying to decide between OCP and GC. Would never pay an installer to apply a coating

- OCP has maintenance requirements as part of their Warranty requirements, so I don't understand the analogy in your 2nd paragraph

- I did read Dr. G's post in this thread as well as his post on the OPT Forum



My suspicion of all claims from OPT regarding their coatings comes from the 2 micron thickness claim for OC2. I feel like they know that the product was never 2 microns. They have denied to me in an email that the ever claimed 2 microns:

"Optimum has never stated that Opti-Coat adds 2 microns to paint."

This statement can easily be found on their own website

LINK

When I am suspicious of a product's claim that I have no interest in, I move on.

Why not do the same?

[tdekany]

I am very interested in these "paint/coating industry standards"

Specifically, how they are applied to the claims made by OPT for their coating longevity and thickness

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i don't see you going after CQ, or am I missing your other posts?

[Belphegor]

I stopped by OPT today for template first time. They're only about a half mile from my shop and I thought I'd check the place out. I met Maggie, the only person I saw there during my visit, and she was a very pleasant and knowledgeable person, and was enthusiastic about Optimum products. I went there out of curiosity, and she took me straight in back and showed me the warehouse and went over a lot of their products. I asked about 2.0 and Opti gloss, and all I could really get out of her was that it would last 2 years according to their tests. I was told they changed their formula to offer a more user friendly product.

I'm not knowledgeable about coatings or their supposed longevity or ease of application, and I didn't care to press her for information too hard as this was my first visit and I plan on buying product directly from them from now on. If anyone has any questions they would like me to pass along during my next visit, I would gladly do so. Or I could even share a link to this thread if it will help clarify any ponders you AutoGeekers may have.

[allenk4]

i don't see you going after CQ, or am I missing your other posts?

As Indicated, I am not interested in products that require Authorized Dealer Installation

The Consumer version of CQF (CQuartz) claims 0.7 µm ~1.5 µm

The math for this claim is plausible with their 30mL bottle of product