All LSP's shot on lower panels; user error?

**MattyL** · 12-23-2013, 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by goodinblack

I personally feel that apart from true coatings like OP and Finest....... everything is Hype.

This includes wgdgps

845 is for looks imo. It looks great even on white.

I hear you man. Before Saturday's revelations, I was keen on purchasing/trading for products already known for outstanding protection, that could be layered within an hour or two b/w coats so that I could put down multiple layers in one day: polycharged Klasse/WGDGPS/Sonax Nano LiquidWax; ZFX'd Zaino, Jeffs Werkstat. Still think maybe, just maybe, these might give me the protection against the winter elements i'm looking for if multiple layers are applied, seeing though I was only able to lay down one coat of each LSP I used a month ago.

At that point though, with all the time and energy expended laying down multiple coats, wouldn't it be easier to just bite the bullet and purchase a coating? I think so. A coating is now on the radar for me.

**swanicyouth** · 12-23-2013, 03:04 AM

I experience the same thing:

Salt + snow + wax = toast on lower panels.

I reapply wax each month and use Sonax Brilliant Shine QD between washes which beads like crazy.

**stilltipping3** · 12-23-2013, 03:42 AM

How about a few coats of sealant AND if ur still not happy then move up to a coating? I think a sealant layered on itself every month for 3 months and u will be happy. KSG is KEwL

**fightnews** · 01-19-2018, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by MattyL

Carried out my winter prep about a month ago. Put 6 different LSP's on various panels to compare with each other: collinite 915, Klasse Sealant Glaze, Duragloss 601/501 followed by 601/105, and DG 601/501 followed by 601/111, and BFWD. All panels were clayed and were prepped with paint cleanser, even the DG 501 panels!

Fast forward to yesterday; first wash since then bc of the cold weather we've been having. It has snowed 3 times in this span, which required road salt to be spread each time.

Problem is, the lower portions of every panel look like they're toast; water BARELY sheeting after cleaning.

So am I to believe the only way to protect against road salt is with a coating such as Opti-Coat? Was it something in my prep? I'm very disappointed given it has been only one month and just 3 road saltings, and these are supposed to be among the most protective products on the market besides a coating.

See your problem is was you didn't get the salt off of your LSP'S. I know this is an old thread but it is a relevant problem. What can we use to remove road salts without removing the LSP? I used ps21 total auto wash at 10/1 last week and that seemed to work. What else is out there?

**fightnews** · 01-19-2018, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by stilltipping3

How about a few coats of sealant AND if ur still not happy then move up to a coating? I think a sealant layered on itself every month for 3 months and u will be happy. KSG is KEwL

No you would just be sealing in all the road salt and contamination

**fightnews** · 01-19-2018, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by MattyL

Clayed all the panels, can't remember if I mentioned that. I just had the expectation that these "protective heavyweights" would hold for at least a month, I mean c'mon.

Wish I would have know this before I purchased all these different LSP's. The hype machine caught hold of me and tagged me hook,line, and sinker, wow!

Looks like a coating is in order for next year, if all I have to do is Iron-X it and maybe a clay.

You're not kidding man. I was floored after realizing how corrosive this stuff is. And to do this after only 3 saltings? I put another coat of everything on the car yesterday and let it sit in the garage overnight, so maybe these new layers will make a difference. Just bought a tin of 1000p and picked up the Zaino system (ZAIO, Z5, ZFX) in a trade; now I regret both acquisitions, especially after finding out about Zaino's water-etching issues only AFTER I agreed to the trade.

The trials and tribulations of a noob!

All you did with the new layers was seal in the contamination. Unless you use some type of abrasive or chemical cleaner you wont get the film off.

**swanicyouth** · 01-19-2018, 08:45 PM

The only thing I've found that comes in a tub that holds up to winter / snow / salt / around here is Synergy. Applied it before the snow and just did a wash with McKees 37 rinseless & beading is legit on the bottom of lowest panels.

In order to see what is going on - you have to wash with some wash product that leaves nothing behind - then recheck the beading with a hose or whatever. If the car is dirty - lower panels will not bead because traffic film / dirt isn't hydrophobic. You have to remove the dirt first to see.

Applied another coat of Synergy - cuz why not?

**fightnews** · 01-20-2018, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by swanicyouth

The only thing I've found that comes in a tub that holds up to winter / snow / salt / around here is Synergy. Applied it before the snow and just did a wash with McKees 37 rinseless & beading is legit on the bottom of lowest panels.

In order to see what is going on - you have to wash with some wash product that leaves nothing behind - then recheck the beading with a hose or whatever. If the car is dirty - lower panels will not bead because traffic film / dirt isn't hydrophobic. You have to remove the dirt first to see.

Applied another coat of Synergy - cuz why not?

What can you use to remove the contamination without removing the lsp that's the big question. I used total auto wash at like 10/1 last week and that seemed to work.