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    Re: Ceramic vs. Wax - Can We Cut To The Chase?

    Quote Originally Posted by FUNX650 View Post


    -Just a FYI:
    Some of the shiniest vehicles Iíve ever detailed had exactly no LSP applied to them. True story.
    I know a guy in this industry that used to say this all the time, and while it may be true, the results won't last over time as the polishing oils are water soluble. It is the application of the LSP than enables the results to endure over time.

    This is why I always say,

    Wax is the great equalizer

    Or

    Synthetic sealant is the great equalizer

    Or

    Ceramic coating is the great equalizer

    It is the application of the LSP after the last polishing step that shmoos over the surface and thus shmoos over the surface to create a uniform appearance (that will endure over time), and that in some case, may tone down the results from polishing.


    Here let me go deep down the Rabbit Hole....


    Also - the application of an LSP will create a more uniform appearance that I don't think polishing can achieve as there are a few variables in the polishing step that cannot always be trusted to create a 100% perfect appearance over 100% of the car. This is where the LSP will pick up the slack. Those factors would include things like


    Who is doing the polishing and their skill level - pretty easy to figure out there are some people that are true artists with a polisher in their hands and a larger majority that are simply "good".

    The paint itself =Paint is always the unknown variable - this means in any given detail job, the end results may not be dependent upon the person, the product or the tool, the car could simply have crap for paint. I dealt with this at my lass class.

    Then other things like abrasive technology, pad choice and tool choice - but a true artist will already have his system dialed-in, kind of like any true professional car painter.

    Number of pads used - can't create perfection when pad structure changes and or becomes contaminated. Too many people using too few pads from what I've seen over the decades.




    Just waxing on at length now.... pun intended....


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    Re: Ceramic vs. Wax - Can We Cut To The Chase?

    Quote Originally Posted by FUNX650 View Post


    Just curious:

    When you bend the light with an LSP, does it add to; lessen; or have no affect on the existing level of shine? TIA


    Bob
    It creates a darker finish that is more richer in color.

    I think I have an old Meguiar's catalog that reference this and I've also talked to a chemist that explains how this works.

    Hint: M26


    Ah.... going down car wax history memory lane....


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    Re: Ceramic vs. Wax - Can We Cut To The Chase?

    And here's the questions I would like to see answers too....

    These were directed at thread starter simply because he asked the initial questions that started this thread. These are huge factors that do, should and will effect the results and longevity of any detail job, be it a wax or a ceramic coating.



    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Phillips View Post
    Great questions...

    Here's my questions....


    1: What have you used in the past to protect you car?

    2: Do you own a polisher?

    3: What compounds and polishes do you normally use?

    4: How do you normally wash your car?



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    Re: Ceramic vs. Wax - Can We Cut To The Chase?

    Thanks, Mike for stating what is in my eyes, pretty obvious. But each person has their own opinions and their own eyes. No one is wrong on the subject of shine.

    But I mentioned recently in another thread that Iím always going to do as good as my ability allows when polishing. I never decide ďhey, Iím going to use Souveran as an LSP to allow me to give only partial effort during my correction.Ē

    And without a doubt, in my final results I look for how much of that final 5-15% extra that an LSP may or may not add to the look. Iíve seen almost no improvement of the 5-15%, Iíve probably seen decreased improvement, and Iíve seen a very substantial improvement during that last step. Iím pretty fanatical at looking at the paint and I donít expect all people to notice differences, but for me it is THE difference since I will always polish as best I can (hobbyist here).

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    Re: Ceramic vs. Wax - Can We Cut To The Chase?

    1- Wax only; spray on (but as I mentioned, this last time I clayed and applied ceramic sealer.
    2 - Yes but never use it
    3 - None
    4 - Hose, nozzle, microfiber wash mitt with any soap sold at an Autozone or Advanced.

    As you can see. I'm a once a month warrior. And still don't know what LSP means :-)

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    Re: Ceramic vs. Wax - Can We Cut To The Chase?

    Quote Originally Posted by alnuman View Post
    1- Wax only; spray on (but as I mentioned, this last time I clayed and applied ceramic sealer.
    2 - Yes but never use it
    3 - None
    4 - Hose, nozzle, microfiber wash mitt with any soap sold at an Autozone or Advanced.

    As you can see. I'm a once a month warrior. And still don't know what LSP means :-)
    LSP: Last Stage Product.

    Meaning the last thing you apply. (Wax, sealant, hybrid, or coating).
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